British man to be exectuted by Chinese

[semi-pro waster]

And you seem to assume the opposite? Your argument being that criminals dont think rationally, and mine is based around logic...

I'm not just basing my opinion on a feeling I've got, it's evidentially backed up that the death penalty is not a deterrent. If people only acted logically then you might have a point but they don't only act logically so it's not a good argument to persue.

 

[aastii]

Have you missed the part where he may be mentally ill and that he was duped by other people to carry the suit case.

They did not do any medical tests and we have no idea if it was even a fare trial, as they are surrounded by secrecy.



Just read other threads and you will see many people moaning about said law.

Yes we have to except their law, it doesn't mean we can't moan about a disgusting practice, especially with their secrecy and lack of medical testing around the trial.

If he did have a mental illness, why should that excuse him? If somebody is mentally ill and poses a threat to society, they should be treated the same way as a sane person who causes a danger to society.

With that though, I don't men we shouldn't support those with mental illness, someone who isn't toally all there, but doesn't cuase any serious problem, by all means either let them be supported and in society or put them in a care home integrated with society, but someone with a mental problem that is doing stuff like carrying 4kg of drugs into a country, they are better off dead imho.

People still associate any kind of mental illness with some drooling moron with no concept of what is really going on and that is why there are those going "but he had a mental illness, you can't convict him for that!!". there are millions in this world that are bipolar, not all of them are running about drug trafficing now are they, most realise what 4kg of drugs is and that generally, it is frowned upon by governments to be carrying that into a country. He knew the laws, he knew it was wrong, he deserves the punishment

 

[physichull]

People in the UK do give a rat's arse about all the other executions in China. If every day the hapless plights of the latest round of probably innocent Chinese to be maimed in our name, were broadcast in to our homes and printed in the newspapers, there would be similar furor. As this man was a British citizen it was enough to spark the media interest which has sparked the people's interest.

I'd sincerely like to think that most people don't think their life, for being British, is inherently worth more than anyone else's.

Thats not true though is it? Western media barely covers the executions in China at all. This was just brought to the forefront because he was British. I bet no mention is made anywhere of the next execuations and who is to say there weren't previous cases where mental health issues had been involved? Where were the media then?

 

[Glaucus]

If he did have a mental illness, why should that excuse him? If somebody is mentally ill and poses a threat to society, they should be treated the same way as a sane person who causes a danger to society.

If someone is mentally ill you want to kill them?

If they are mentally ill you lock them up and try treating them if they are a risk to the public.

Thats not true though is it? Western media barely covers the executions in China at all. This was just brought to the forefront because he was British. I bet no mention is made anywhere of the next execuations.

there was a massive thread when they introduced the death van or what ever it was nick named. Of course this is goign to be higher publicity. it's a UK man and we surprisingly are in the UK.

Just like there has been numerous media articles and threads on Saudi killing gays and other people that are Saudi and had nothing to do with he UK.

 

[Fragalot]

good work China

 

[lemonkettaz]

That is a pretty extreme justice system if smuggling drugs brings execution

 

[aastii]

If someone is mentally ill you want to kill them?

If they are mentally ill you lock them up and try treating them if they are a risk to the public.

You are meant to read an entire post you know, not just selectively read bits that you want.

I didn't say we should go around killing the mentally ill, I said those that pose a threat. I have family that have mental disabilities: one of my cousins is autistic, my uncle has epilepsy and because he developed it early and had fits from the age of 3 upwards, it damaged his brain so he can't speak, can only just walk, doesn't have complete motor coordination etc, I don't think they should be killed, they aren't a threat to anyone.

If you get someone with a mental illness though, going around smuggling drugs, abusing people, murdering, any extreme crime, they deserve it as much as a sane person. The death penalty is there to protect innocent people from those that pose an extreme threat, and someone that is soud in mind that is a murderer or drug traficer is as much of a risk as someone with a mental illness doing the same, and so should be treated the same.

It is all well and good saying rehabilitate them, but they go and harm others, it isn't worth it for one person to get a bit better, them affecting peoples lives directly or indirectly.

 

[dirtydog]

good work China

+1

 

[Moley]

Shame on you China.

 

[dirtydog]

Shame on you China.

Why?

Shame on him for smuggling 4kg of heroin more like?

 

[Glaucus]

You are meant to read an entire post you know, not just selectively read bits that you want.

I didn't say we should go around killing the mentally ill, I said those that pose

I did read your post..

it is shocking..

if they are mentally ill and a threat they can be locked up and possibly treated.

 

[PMKeates]

Why?

Shame on him for smuggling 4kg of heroin more like?

and his potential mental illness holds no odds? Is not a mitigating circumstance for execution, even for a medical assessment?

 

[HEADRAT]

That's not how the Chinese legal system works, so it's "tough" really isn't it.

If he'd smuggled 4kg of gear into another country they might have given him a set of steak knives and a pat on the back, unfortunately he was "mad" enough to do this in China which had draconian drug laws!

Could anybody trying to traffic drugs into China be classed as "sane" in light of what the punishment is, maybe we should just let them all off as they're obviously not sane.

 

[dirtydog]

and his potential mental illness holds no odds? Is not a mitigating circumstance for execution, even for a medical assessment?

Being bipolar does not mean you are unaware of the consequences of your actions.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

People in the UK do give a rat's arse about all the other executions in China.

I don't care, so don't speak for me. There are far too many people on this planet, so I am not going to cry about this.

Although what we need is a mass cull, another WW for example, or a dealy global pandemic to reduce the population to manageable proportions.

 

[tbs]

We're perfectly capable of producing the goods we need, what we aren't capable of is producing the goods for similar costs, and the consumer has long decided that cheap is the most important factor for the majority.

Not in quantity and price and trade to rest of the world, the UK is not capable of doing so, so the answer is still a "No"

What, so you think he recorded the single and acted all weird as a ruse in the runup to his drug running operation?

Are you sure you're not mentally ill?

There are loads of people on youtube that record stupid stuff, does that mean they are mentally retarded or bipolar?

That is a pretty extreme justice system if smuggling drugs brings execution

No, cause drugs can ruin many lives and it has, how is bring justice to something like drugs in 4 KILOS worth extreme? You do know how much 4 KILOS worth is right? Thats able to kill 26K people

Also there are no medical records of him in BRITAIN of him having mental illness, surely if he has MAYBE the court would have believed it, rather then just having hearsay. If anyone can just say they have mental illness after killing someone then everyone would just say that in court, then the law does really fail to protect their people

 

[izzy eckerslike]

Many hundreds of thousands of lives are wrecked by drugs abuse & the methods they use to obtain money by stealing,mugging etc & yet anyone caught overseas in countries where the death penalty is mandate seems to somehow trigger a waive of sympathy & desperate attempts at leniency.

It could be argued that anyone who is stupid enough to either take or smuggle drugs has a mental health problem

 

[PMKeates]

I don't care, so don't speak for me. There are far too many people on this planet, so I am not going to cry about this.

Although what we need is a mass cull, another WW for example, or a dealy global pandemic to reduce the population to manageable proportions.

Sorry, I only spoke for those with a grain of compassion for the sanctity of human life, and not the collection of neanderthals masquerading as intelligent beings. You were excluded.

Being bipolar does not mean you are unaware of the consequences of your actions.

You may not be completely unaware of the consequences, but you are very unaware of the relative significance of them. When you think you are about to have a no. 1 record that will somehow save the world, the idea of smuggling a suitcase of opiates wouldn't have been worthy of a second thought.

 

[aastii]

I did read your post..

it is shocking..

if they are mentally ill and a threat they can be locked up and possibly treated.

I don't understand how a mentally ill person and mentally well person that commited the same crime should be treated differently though. I think in certain circumstances, obviously the mentally ill should be given more leniancy, but if they are doing some extreme crime, like smuggling a large amount of drugs into a country where they have the death penalty for those that do such a thing, they should be treated the same way.

Laws are only there to keep people in line and to protect the innocent. If this guy was sane enough to be in society as normal even with his condition known, then he therefore understands the laws, and if he understands the laws, he should be punished accordingly. If he was in a care home and this happened, different thing, obviously he has had to be removed from society to some extent and isn't fully aware of what is going on and what not, but he wasn't

 

[The Mad Rapper]

Sorry, I only spoke for those with a grain of compassion for the sanctity of human life, and not the collection of neanderthals masquerading as intelligent beings. You were excluded.

Get off your high horse.