most pirated games 2009

[kylew]

aaah .. we're on to 'recieving stolen goods' now ...

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/receiving-stolen-property.html

Yes if you argue that you are actually committing that crime, it is indeed technically different from theft. You're still going to prison to become new best friends with 'Mr Big' though ... And god help you if you're stupid enough to be 'seeding' ...

Right, except that according to the LAW piracy isn't theft, and if it were, lots of people would be in prison for it.

If piracy isn't theft, then me giving pirated games out to people isn't them receiving stolen goods.

 

[james.miller]

Steam offers don't realistically count though. They're great, but they're limited and don't last all year

It's an agreed price and it's legit - of course they do. As i said, taking advantage of offers.

As for people getting "shot to bits" for admitting piracy, it's funny, it's usually the odd few who rant on about how bad piracy is, then they feel the need to call people "immoral" and "thieves" and they themselves get shot to pieces.

You seem to think "justify" and "speak about" are the same things.

umm, no. justifying it would be trying to come up with some lame excuses to do so; 'uhh but they're too expensive so i cant afford to buy them at full price'. That is trying to justify it, badly.

I personally pirate things, if I like it and think it's worth the money, I'll buy it, if not, I won't.

good for you, have a pat on the back!

I've got a steam games collection of over 100 games.

well done, have another! but what relevance does that have to this thread? 'oh but ive got over a 100 legit blurays, so it's not so bad if ive pirated another 50?' you're not using that as an excuse, are you?

 

[Tombstone]

Seems we are all getting a touch bogged down in semantics.

From what I've read so far, it would seem the general consensus is ...

Piracy isnt Theft. Though admittedly it is a breach of section 23 of the secondary infringement rule of Copyright Law (which states its a breach of copyright to even possess a copy). But not Theft.

Piracy is morally wrong.

That appears to be the general consensus.

Which I suppose leaves the question of why something which people will willingly admit is morally wrong is deemed to be ok.

I dont have an answer to that question, its merely interesting from a sociological and psychological perspective.

 

[kylew]

It's an agreed price and it's legit - of course they do. As i said, taking advantage of offers.



umm, no. justifying it would be trying to come up with some lame excuses to do so; 'uhh but they're too expensive so i cant afford to buy them at full price'. That is trying to justify it, badly.



good for you, have a pat on the back!



well done, have another! but what relevance does that have to this thread? 'oh but ive got over a 100 legit blurays, so it's not so bad if ive pirated another 50?' tell me you are trying to use that as an excuse?

You appear to be under the illusion that I feel like I must justify my actions to the good lord James Miller.

You are however, mistaken, talking about and debating are not the same as justifying.

I am not trying to justify, as I don't believe I have to, why I pirate, to you.

It is in fact, none of your business.

That however doesn't remove my right to enter a debate and pass comment on the subject.

So get it out of your head that I'm trying to justify anything to you, as frankly, who are you to believe I have to justify anything to you?

 

[britboy4321]

Copying homework is plagiarism.

Copying things isn't theft. It is FACT that piracy isn't theft, it's piracy.

I seem to notice though that you aren't able to answer a direct question, why is it? Why are you so insistent than piracy MUST be theft? What's wrong with it remaining piracy? It's been given its own definition, why feel the need to give it a new one?

If piracy is theft, then I'm sure the police would like to know all the things I've been "stealing".

No if that's the case, if I were to walk in to a police station and "confess" of my "stealing spree", surely they should be very willing to lock me up, no?

Also, who do you presume you're talking to some one "quite young"? What has age got to do with anything?

If you walked into a police station and told them about all the games you had been stealing .. they would most likely bail you as you would be considered a non-flight risk. However yes of course they would have an obligation to prosecute you.

Anyway, if you want to get into the reasons why the term 'piracy' is used:

There are a lot of crimes committed for which the criminals don't want to feel guilty. Therefore they use 'nicer', 'cosier' terms to try and justify what they have done.

This is most prevelant in the drugs trade. Its not benzoylmethylecgonine as this makes the users uncomfortable. It's called 'Charlie' or 'Coke' or simply 'doing a line' .. doesn't sound too bad now does it? It's not called 'violent date rape using secretly administered rohypnol' it's called 'dropping a ruffie' -- sounds not too bad -- just a simple thing, anyone coudl do it, no big deal. In short, it makes the crime seem more paletable to the perpetrators.

The reason it is not called 'piracy' is because that term is not recognised in a court of law.

The reason thieves HATE being called what they are, is because it clearly and simply dispells the 'romantic, cosy, easy, nice' word 'pirate' as a kind of 'loveable rogue that means no real harm to anyone'. Thief is harsher. But accurate.

 

[janp]

I download games...

Now I'm not saying I don't normally buy my games legit, like most people here I tend to download something to see if it works. If I like it and dont have any issues, I leave the game installed order the game so that I can keep it wrapped in pristine condition. If I dislike the game or can't get it working, it instantly gets deleted. I do the same with my music collection, infact I've downloaded an album I've got sat on the shelf 5 seperate times now. It's easier and saves my discs failing due to wear and tear.

However last week I saw a game on Steam I had wanted to play for sometime, it was on offer at £7. I had also seen it up for download on various questionable sites prior to my purchase. However at 7 quid it seemed like a bargain to good to miss. Suprise, suprise I can't get the sodding game to work. It would appear due to an issue to game has with ATi graphics drivers. I'm a Database Administrator and have been working with computers the majority or my reasonably short life, I know my drivers are uptodate, systems clean of malware, no problem with hardware etc. But Steam are insistant it's my system and won't provide me with a refund.

So a wasted £7 but lesson learnt, not to purchase a game before trying it first and if there are no trial/demo options what choice do we have?

 

[kylew]

If you walked into a police station and told them about all the games you had been stealing .. they would most likely bail you as you would be considered a non-flight risk. However yes of course they would have an obligation to prosecute you.

Anyway, if you want to get into the reasons why the term 'piracy' is used:

There are a lot of crimes committed for which the criminals don't want to feel guilty. Therefore they use 'nicer', 'cosier' terms to try and justify what they have done.

This is most prevelant in the drugs trade. Its not benzoylmethylecgonine as this makes the users uncomfortable. It's called 'Charlie' or 'Coke' or simply 'doing a line' .. doesn't sound too bad now does it? It's not called 'violent date rape using secretly administered rohypnol' it's called 'dropping a ruffie' -- sounds not too bad -- just a simple thing, anyone coudl do it, no big deal. In short, it makes the crime seem more paletable to the perpetrators.

The reason it is not called 'piracy' is because that term is not recognised in a court of law.

The reason thieves HATE being called what they are, is because it clearly and simply dispells the 'romantic, cosy, easy, nice' word 'pirate' as a kind of 'loveable rogue that means no real harm to anyone'. Thief is harsher. But accurate.

Do you really not understand the legal definition of piracy and theft?

If I told them "aww like I've been like downloading all these games off the internet like" I'd get laughed at and asked to leave the station.

If I however told them that "aww like I've been like going around all these shops and taking games out of the shop that require a payment to leave the store with like" I'm sure they'd want to do something.

You've just given it away, you call people thieves because you feel they should have a harsher definition for the things they do.

Tell me, what court of law deems "piracy" equivalent to theft? Care to demonstrate any case law on this?

The way you try to reason is an absolute joke.

Just think for a moment why some one would rather say "coke" than "benzoylmethylecgonine"? (you looked that up didn't you? ).

If you think they call it coke, to take away from what they are doing, I have genuine concerns that you have something seriously up with you.

Just think for a second, of all the people that USE coke, how many of them do you reckon even know what the "chemist" name for it is benzoylmethylecgonine?

The fact that you've even said that shows me there's 0 point in even entraining you're borderline retarded rants.

 

[james.miller]

So get it out of your head that I'm trying to justify anything to you, as frankly, who are you to believe I have to justify anything to you?

I never said you have to. And i never said YOU were trying to justify anything. So stop getting your back up, it's infantile. 'people' in this thread are trying to justify their actions to anybody that will listen. honestly i dont give a stuff what you do, or why you think you should be doing it, but no amount of legit material will make your own case any better than anyone else's.

Comments like this: You appear to be under the illusion that I feel like I must justify my actions to the good lord James Miller. are not only pathetic, but totally off the mark. If you can show me where i said 'kylew, you must prove your case to me' then i'll apologise. Otherwise, sort it out mate.

 

[skullman]

I wonder how many of those MW2 4mil+ would've actually bought the game if they weren't able to pirate it, or how much influence the boycott had, or are pirates who've been out and bought it since? Not like I'm tryin to 'big up' piracy or anything but the figures dont take things like this into account.

 

[~>Dg<~]

im quite glad cod mw2 got whored so hard

to me its the biggest failure game in history . yes its made money but the whole crapolla behind it is just pure lies and the out come is quite hilarious

4.1 mill for the win !

 

[kylew]

I never said you have to. And i never said YOU were trying to justify anything. So stop getting your back up, it's infantile. 'people' in this thread are trying to justify their actions to anybody that will listen. honestly i dont give a stuff what you do, or why you think you should be doing it, but no amout of legit material will make your own case any better than anyone else's.

According to you of course, which demonstrates that you do indeed feel like people are trying to justify themselves to you.

"My own case" is according to what? The law? No, you? Yeah most probably, so whilst you claim not to care, you're making statements that demonstrate you care somewhat.

So what is it? If you don't care, you simply don't care and "my case" is absolutely meaningless to you.

 

[Tefal]

Well a 10 second google found this:

http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channels...ent&id=HMCE_CL_001454&propertyType=document__

So it appears to my amateur eyes that Tefal was, in fact, wholly wrong with his 'play.com' claims of 'import tax' stuff .. :\


I hope this clears things up somewhat. oops? er .. sorry .. (I've never spent more than £18 at play)


So, back to your defence of 'being a thief ain't so bad if you call us pirates' ....

amazing you've never paid over the VAT threshold isn't it

 

[james.miller]

According to you of course, which demonstrates that you do indeed feel like people are trying to justify themselves to you.

according to me what? what on earth are you blathering about?


Look, it's pretty simple. Buying stuff legit, doesnt make it any right to download stuff. Complaining about prices, also does not make it right to download stuff. In fact, the only exception i might make personally is the lack of demos, maybe if its a download-to-try-and-delete affair. But that doesn't make it any more right in the eye's of the law anyway, so moot point.

"My own case" is according to what? The law? No, you? Yeah most probably, so whilst you claim not to care, you're making statements that demonstrate you care somewhat.

you aren't even making sense (not the first time). The law is pretty parallel with my own thoughts (funny that), which i mentioned above.

So what is it? If you don't care, you simply don't care and "my case" is absolutely meaningless to you.

No, i really dont care. I never said 'kylew, please stop and think about your actions, im only looking out for yoou.. boohoo'.

Actually, i no longer care if you understand what im saying either. take a (large) step back (maybe two) and reread my posts. If i told you to do anything like that, point it out. if not keep it shut as you're clearly talking trash.

 

[kylew]

Comments like this: You appear to be under the illusion that I feel like I must justify my actions to the good lord James Miller. are not only pathetic, but totally off the mark. If you can show me where i said 'kylew, you must prove your case to me' then i'll apologise. Otherwise, sort it out mate.

Ah, so now I'm pathetic.

The fact that you're talking about "my case" (which means what?) shows that you do feel like people are trying to justify their actions to you.

If you feel I don't have anything to prove, why keep mentioning my "case"? You say you don't request me to prove my case, you started mentioning cases in the first place.

Make your mind up.

 

[daztrouk]

i find it a coincidence that the majority of those who admit to downloading games have a hundred posts or less on this forum. Obviously, most of those accounts could be from users who simply rarely post here, or they could be second accounts used by those who prefer not to admit to piracy under there normal login.

 

[Tefal]

This is most prevelant in the drugs trade. Its not benzoylmethylecgonine as this makes the users uncomfortable. It's called 'Charlie' or 'Coke' or simply 'doing a line' .. doesn't sound too bad now does it?

No it's called coke from cocaine from coca plant.


the people who first made coke didn't even know it was benzoylmethylecgonine so why would it be it's common name?


So you drink oxidane and spread a mixture of various saturated triglycerides on your toast do you?

 

[kylew]

according to me what? what on earth are you blathering about?


Look, it's pretty simple. Buying stuff legit, doesnt make it any right to download stuff. Complaining about prices, also does not make it right to download stuff. In fact, the only exception i might make personally is the lack of demos, maybe if its a download-to-try-and-delete affair. But that doesn't make it any more right in the eye's of the law anyway, so moot point.



you aren't even making sense (not the first time). The law is pretty parallel with my own thoughts (funny that), which i mentioned above.



No, i really dont care. I never said 'kylew, please stop and think about your actions, im only looking otu for yoou.. boohoo'.

Actually, i no longer care if you understand what im saying either.

"no amout of legit material will make your own case any better than anyone else's." is according to you.

As for me not making sense? Is there any need for the snide "not the first time"? What does that have to do with now? If I'm not making sense, ask me to clarify, is that hard?

Now, if the law is parallel with your own thoughts, why aren't we seeing people getting heavily punished for "piracy"?

If it was such an offence, we would definitely see people getting taken to court, successfully over it.

if the law frowns upon piracy so heavily, why does the law do nothing about it?

I haven't seen any one person get "done" for mere downloading, when some one has been in trouble with the law, it's because they have been caught uploading copyrighted material, not downloading it, and inceidently, we're talking about downloads (yeah, I know we're talking about torrents, but the subject is pirating of games).

 

[Tefal]

i find it a coincidence that the majority of those who admit to downloading games have a hundred posts or less on this forum. Obviously, most of those accounts could be from users who simply rarely post here, or they could be second accounts used by those who prefer not to admit to piracy under there normal login.

bit paranoid there aren't you?

 

[kylew]

i find it a coincidence that the majority of those who admit to downloading games have a hundred posts or less on this forum. Obviously, most of those accounts could be from users who simply rarely post here, or they could be second accounts used by those who prefer not to admit to piracy under there normal login.

That would merely be coincidence.

There are a lot of "High post count" members who admit it, I suspect they may have better things to be doing with their time currently though.

 

[antipacker]

bit paranoid there aren't you?

most people do it