most pirated games 2009

Indeed it's harder than some crimes to directly see the victim.

But you can't complain one bit that places like GAME only designate 1 small shelf to PC gaming now, and relatively few PC games come out .. after all, pirates caused the collapse ... :(

Pity, coz I love PC gaming ... :(

No you can blame the fact game only have "one shelf" (well it's 1 wall in my local GAME which is more space than the ps3 +the ds +the wii-well the wii games secont the addons part is huge) on the fact that dirty horrible ***** shops like play set up in guernsey so the could avoid playing duty on the imports.

Presumably you'd never order from such establishments?

After all you wouldn't want to be a scummy ***** tax dodger would you?
 
Of course it is about price. Do you honestly think for a second that if people could download a legitimate copy of a new release game directly to their Harddrive for £1.97 the number of pirated games wouldn't drop significantly?

IF pirates used their brains, yes. people pirated batman because they didnt want to pay full price. i bought a legit copy on steam because i didnt want to pay full price, but i still payed for it. fair enough its not on the 360 like i wanted but hey ho, it's an awful lot cheaper.

Steam has the potential to slash piracy but they are completely missing the point of Direct to Drive downloads. Take NFS Shift as an example since it made it onto the list. In my opinion it was absolutely dreadful, but for £2 I'd have given it a pop anyway, but for the £29.99 that they want for it on Steam they can go and whistle. And it gets better, the Steam download is actually more expensive that a physical copy I could buy from the shops. How can they justify charging MORE for a digital copy than a physical copy?

They, steam (valve) dont. Thank EA for that one - it's not valve who set the prices.

Another great example is the Batman game you speak of. £1.97 you say... how much is it now? £20.09. How on earth can they justify charging £1.97 for a product one day they and then charging more than TEN TIMES more less than a week down the line?

no, its still <£2.00 if you buy the eidos pack http://store.steampowered.com/sub/2687/ . It's called taking advantage of offers :) As far as what they can justify as a price, they can justify anything they like. If the consumer will pay it, they will charge it.

Retail prices for games have remained largly the same for at least the last 15 years, something a lot of you either dont realise or choose to ignore. With the spiralling cost of of development and wages, what we are getting in return is FAR more. who remembers zoop or virtua racing on the mega drive for £70-odd quid? i do. Yet i've just bought 19 games (including riddick) on steam for £40. When have we EVER been able to pay those prices, legit, for that many games on any console this side of the last 15 years?

...and you think we've got it bad now?

Steam is fantastic for these offers, I basically buy all my games like this now (bar the odd new one). It keeps eating my pennies!

However, I wouldn't even pay this for MW2 :p.

as do i :) 3/4 of my 85 games on steam are bought in packs, awfully good value.

Also note i've never bought MW2 - i refuse to at the current prices.
 
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No you can blame the fact game only have "one shelf" (well it's 1 wall in my local GAME which is more space than the ps3 +the ds +the wii-well the wii games secont the addons part is huge) on the fact that dirty horrible ***** shops like play set up in guernsey so the could avoid playing duty on the imports.

Presumably you'd never order from such establishments?

After all you wouldn't want to be a scummy ***** tax dodger would you?

That organisation is breaking no laws. I am breaking no laws by ordering from them. The second that it is against the law to buy from this organisaion, I will stop buying from them.

This is entirely different from stealing stuff ...
 
That organisation is breaking no laws. I am breaking no laws by ordering from them. The second that it is against the law to buy from this organisaion, I will stop buying from them.

This is entirely different from stealing stuff ...

Actually it is your duty to inform customs that you've ordered from there and to pay the duty not plays.

Do you do this?


If you want to follow the law you must inform customs and pay the duty.

You're right play isn't a scummy ***** tax dodger.

You are :)



If you want to test this order in bulk from play, around the point where the fines they can charge you with outweighs the cost of investigation is where you wild a nice letter from HMRC on your doorstep.
 
Because you are getting a good that other hard-working people had to pay for.

Here's the distinction, you don't HAVE to pay, regardless of what people think is morally right or wrong, you most definitely have a CHOICE whether you download it or not.

No one forced you to buy the things you're talking about.

Is it ok to 'sneak into' a cinema, evading the staff, to see a film that you wouldn't have paid for - because you can and ticket prices are expensive?

Remind me, how is that anything like piracy? The piracy equivalent would be "******" setting up their own "cinema" and letting people in for free.

Is it OK to hack into US military computers, because you don't intend to sell the secrets you're just doing it for the lol?

And that's related to piracy, how?

Is it OK to publish the numbers of peoples credit cards on t'net for the LOL after all YOU'RE not going to use the numbers for fraudulent purposes - not your problem if someone else does?

You're having some difficulty with this aren't you? That's called fraud, not piracy, or theft.

Is it OK to secretely film a girl taking a shower? After all she'll never know yea? You can use it yourself and it's a victimless crime yea as you weren't going to ask her out either way so no problem yea?

Piracy? :confused:

Is your moral compass shot to peices or what?? You sound kind of sociopathic .. how many more examples do you want of your 'victimless crimes'?

You truly are a bizarre one. You're having to go right on to completely non-related subjects to give examples as to why piracy is bad and is "stealing".

You talk of moral compasses? I believe you genuinely don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about.
 
Obviously, PC users will download more games or media simply because they can. The console users also need a capable PC and a little bit more technical knowledge than your average user. I'm pretty sure the more average pirate will be @ your nearest market on the weekend, buying from their 'guy', same as they get their films. How do they judge how many people bought a pirated copy of MW2 for the xbox at a car boot sale? I mean come on, the download figures are so simple, and cannot simply be used to justify PC piracy > Console piracy.
 
You are a thief. Make no mistake. I wish comments like yours, on forums like these, could be reported.

I expect your HD's are full of pirated films and music and I hope the powers that be catch up with you one day.

so we can take it that you have never downloaded anything that you should'nt have ever?

Dogooder much ? :o
 
There's nothing morally right about pirating games. If you are going to do it the fine, just go and do it. but don't bother trying to justify your actions on an internet forum because you'll get shot to pieces as it's not jusifiable. at all.

i used to pirate pc games a fair amount but then i woke up and thought 'you know what? i've had enough'. the only reason i pirated games was because i didnt want to pay full whack for them, not really because i couldnt afford them (although i couldnt afford them amount of games i had, no way).

these days i dont bother. Why should i? a few days ago i bought batman AA on steam as part of the eidos collectors pack for....wait for it.... £1.97.

ONE POUND NINETY SEVEN

So please, dont use cost as an argument, thats balls. note if anybody goes to the trouble of working that out, i already owned two of the games in the 20-game pack iand i wasnt allowed extra copies of the two i did own. £35.49 / 18 games = £1.97 a game. I'd wager most of you do it because you want it on the day of release, not because of the price but you'll happily use that as an excuse.

Steam offers don't realistically count though. They're great, but they're limited and don't last all year.

As for people getting "shot to bits" for admitting piracy, it's funny, it's usually the odd few who rant on about how bad piracy is, then they feel the need to call people "immoral" and "thieves" and they themselves get shot to pieces.

You seem to think "justify" and "speak about" are the same things.

I personally pirate things, if I like it and think it's worth the money, I'll buy it, if not, I won't.

I feel that having that choice is actually an extreme luxury.

On the otherhand, I have a games and movie collection far greater than anyone I know, I spend a fair deal on games and so on.

I've got a steam games collection of over 100 games.
 
Steam offers don't realistically count though. They're great, but they're limited and don't last all year.

As for people getting "shot to bits" for admitting piracy, it's funny, it's usually the odd few who rant on about how bad piracy is, then they feel the need to call people "immoral" and "thieves" and they themselves get shot to pieces.

You seem to think "justify" and "speak about" are the same things.

I personally pirate things, if I like it and think it's worth the money, I'll buy it, if not, I won't.

I feel that having that choice is actually an extreme luxury.

On the otherhand, I have a games and movie collection far greater than anyone I know, I spend a fair deal on games and so on.

I've got a steam games collection of over 100 games.

Listen, if you think taking/copying things without permission is somehow not the dictionary definition of 'being a thief', and stealing things is not at all 'immoral' -- then frankly we're at such loggerheads we may as well give up the discussion.

(OK -- last try -- I presume I'm talking to someone quite young -- if some other school kid copied down your homework essay without your permission (you spent ages on it and don't want them to copy it) - not damaging your homework in any way, would their action be considered either moral or immoral? If you don't know -- honestly -- time to give up on this thread my friend ..).



(I won't even get started on 'having the ability to steal stuff is a luxury' comment!)
 
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Piracy is immoral but it is not theft, theft denotes the removal of someone else's belongings, so for example stealing a car, piracy is the equivalent of making a perfect clone of that car for free. As i say it's immoral but it isn't theft.
 
copying things without permission is somehow not the dictionary definition of 'being a thief', and stealing things is not at all 'immoral' -- then frankly we're at such loggerheads we may as well give up the discussion.

well it isn't.

It's the dictionary definition of counterfeiting. :confused:





Yet here you are on your high tax dodging horse preaching to us about theft.



Every time you see some poor kiddie dying because the nhs can't afford to treat them you have a little party don't you!

You and you little child killing party hat!

You disgust me.





So does your hat.
 
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Piracy is immoral but it is not theft, theft denotes the removal of someone else's belongings, so for example stealing a car. Piracy is the equivalent of making a perfect clone of that car for free. As i say it's immoral but it isn't theft.
copyright THEFT is the exact thing you'd be done with.

And it has the word 'THEFT' in it!

The trouble is -- thieves don't actually like the word for what they are. 'Piracy' sounds a lot more cozy and romantic ..
 
birtboy4321 I'm waiting for a reply on Tefals #146 post please.

Well a 10 second google found this:

http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channels...ent&id=HMCE_CL_001454&propertyType=document__

So it appears to my amateur eyes that Tefal was, in fact, wholly wrong with his 'play.com' claims of 'import tax' stuff .. :\


I hope this clears things up somewhat. oops? er .. sorry .. (I've never spent more than £18 at play)


So, back to your defence of 'being a thief ain't so bad if you call us pirates' ....
 
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What I don't understand is if you can't afford the game, why do you feel entitled to have it anyway? I know piracy technically isn't stealing, but used in the context that it was, if you couldn't afford food at a shop, you wouldn't take it anyway would you?

What if some one was providing it for you for free?

Piracy is generally being given, not "taking".

If I was going around, giving people free copies of games and movies, are the people receiving it, thieves?

No they aren't.

The only time piracy is stealing, is when people sell the things they have pirated, and make monies off such things.
 
What if some one was providing it for you for free?

Piracy is generally being given, not "taking".

If I was going around, giving people free copies of games and movies, are the people receiving it, thieves?

No they aren't.

The only time piracy is stealing, is when people sell the things they have pirated, and make monies off such things.

aaah .. we're on to 'recieving stolen goods' now ...

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/receiving-stolen-property.html

Yes if you argue that you are actually committing that crime, it is indeed technically different from theft. You're still going to prison to become new best friends with 'Mr Big' though ... :) And god help you if you're stupid enough to be 'seeding' ...
 
Listen, if you think taking/copying things without permission is somehow not the dictionary definition of 'being a thief', and stealing things is not at all 'immoral' -- then frankly we're at such loggerheads we may as well give up the discussion.

(OK -- last try -- I presume I'm talking to someone quite young -- if some other school kid copied down your homework essay without your permission (you spent ages on it and don't want them to copy it) - not damaging your homework in any way, would their action be considered either moral or immoral? If you don't know -- honestly -- time to give up on this thread my friend ..).



(I won't even get started on 'having the ability to steal stuff is a luxury' comment!)

Copying homework is plagiarism.

Copying things isn't theft. It is FACT that piracy isn't theft, it's piracy.

I seem to notice though that you aren't able to answer a direct question, why is it? Why are you so insistent than piracy MUST be theft? What's wrong with it remaining piracy? It's been given its own definition, why feel the need to give it a new one?

If piracy is theft, then I'm sure the police would like to know all the things I've been "stealing".

No if that's the case, if I were to walk in to a police station and "confess" of my "stealing spree", surely they should be very willing to lock me up, no?

Also, who do you presume you're talking to some one "quite young"? What has age got to do with anything?
 
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