most pirated games 2009

I don't get PC piracy anymore, I mean games are ridiculously cheap on this platform now. Most new releases can be had for 17-20 quid

I guess it's too easy still

my thoughts exactly, i mean most people research the games they buy but even if you bought a complete stinker, at £17 who cares really. go on a night out and you're spending £60 easy and can't remember a damn thing if you've done it right :p

i really hope tages beats the pirates (although i doubt it), avatar has been out for almost a month now and there is no crack for it and it uses a more advanced version of what was used in riddick dark athena which only ever had a dirty workaround released for it. i think the pc release of assasins creed 2 is gonna be interesting
 
my thoughts exactly, i mean most people research the games they buy but even if you bought a complete stinker, at £17 who cares really. go on a night out and you're spending £60 easy and can't remember a damn thing if you've done it right :p

i really hope tages beats the pirates (although i doubt it), avatar has been out for almost a month now and there is no crack for it and it uses a more advanced version of what was used in riddick dark athena which only ever had a dirty workaround released for it. i think the pc release of assasins creed 2 is gonna be interesting

You gotta ask yourself what is keeping prices low though ;)

after all the direction a major publisher is taking is.

So, what used to be a $50 sale is a $500 sale today


Good luck with that btw.


(although i doubt it), avatar has been out for almost a month now and there is no crack for it

being pirated to high heaven on the xbox though ;)
 
You gotta ask yourself what is keeping prices low though ;)

after all the direction a major publisher is taking is.

not sure what you mean? theres no royalty fees on pc of course and pc games have always been cheaper so trying to sell at £40 like ps3 for instance would be prone to extreme failure

being pirated to high heaven on the xbox though ;)

couldn't care less about xbox if microsoft is too dumb to take the debug routines out of their dvd drives that's their fault. the fact is there is no crack after 1 month for the pc and the pc release groups release anything no matter how bad it is ( and avatar is far from bad, its stunning in 3D), the point is its the protection that's stopping the release
 
People will start caring about piracy when they get made to stop. We are no where near to that yet. A few scaremonger tactics over the last year or two, but no real efforts. People will also always find a way to pirate. I think sometimes it would cost anti piracy campaigns and entertainment industries far less money if they just carried on as normal accepting piracy goes on and stopped crying. Activision are hardly about to go bust.
 
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Edit: With regards to the second hand market I don't think there is a profit. You buy a game at £30 sell it for say £10 so no profit. I guess you could say developers loose that £30 but by the time it enters the second hand market it's normally not worth it.

There's a profit for the resellers, which is the profit I was referring to. You pay £30 for a new game and they give you maybe £7 cash or £10 credit for it a month or two later. They then put it on sale for, say £15. £8 profit for them if you took the cash, more if you took the credit (as most customers do) because you have to spend the credit in their shop. If they're lucky, they can resell the same copy a few times.

You could argue that the money customers spend on resold games would otherwise have been spent on new games. I think a part of it would, but I think people would spend less because more per game would deter sales. I'll browse around and just take a punt on 3 second-hand games for £20 that I can trade back in more casually than I'd spend £30 on 1 game that's completely worthless when I'm finished with it (which could be very quickly if I don't like it).

I'd be fine with the devs tithing the resales or just entering the reselling business themselves. So those 3 games for £20 would cost me £22 with the 10% dev tax. Whoopie do. No big deal to each customer, but the devs take 10% of a lot and continue to get income from games too old to sell well as new games anyway, without any distribution costs.
 
OK, I'll go slower for you.

And I'll ignore you. Well done, you've completely succeeded in ruining any point you might have had. Although given your risible opinion that anyone who pirates a game is a sociopath and akin to someone who secretly videos women in showers, it's very unlikely you had any point at all other than as a forum equivalent of a medieval court fool.
 
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Think about this: would you get a job in the PC Game developer sector, knowing just how little profit you're going to make due to piracy? It's in our best interests to pay them, otherwise there'll be nothing left to pirate in a few years.

You have an unsubstantiated assumption implicit in that question - that piracy results in game developers getting "so little profit".

Apart from the fact that someone with a job in the game development sector will usually get a salary, not a share of the profits, and "we" don't pay them.

Then you throw in some obviously wrong scaremongering - piracy has been rife in gaming since the early 1980s and games continue to be made and profitably sold. If you were right, gaming would have ended by the mid-late 1980s.
 
Think about this: would you get a job in the PC Game developer sector, knowing just how little profit you're going to make due to piracy? It's in our best interests to pay them, otherwise there'll be nothing left to pirate in a few years.

Judging by the comparatively low wages in teh pcgames sector compared to their equivalents in other software development they are not short of candidates.


It's a job lots of people want so there's high competition, you wont get paid much not because of pirates, but because there are 20 just as qualified people behind you willing to do it for less.
 
RE games prices.

I remember buying Team Yankee and Mig 29 super Fulcrum on the Amiga, and both costing £29.99 back then (which would have been what, 1989? 1990) adjusted for inflation thats £59.08p.

Snes Games were impossible to pirate (virtually) and I paid £49.99 for SF2 turbo.
I remember being stiffed £44.99 for Resident evil on the PS1 as well.

Team Yankee was such a solid game lol

I had it on my amiga 500 and there is No way on earth i could have afforded that price so it must have been cheaper (more like 10 quid from a games fair)
 
I don't get PC piracy anymore, I mean games are ridiculously cheap on this platform now. Most new releases can be had for 17-20 quid

I guess it's too easy still

Definitely. I used to download games to try them before buying if the download was less than 2gb. Otherwise, the download would have taken too long on my connection. It was just a case of making sure it would be a decent purchase. I don't any more though as I rarely play games on PC anymore, and those I do, I know what they'll be like when they're released.
 
RE games prices.

I remember buying Team Yankee and Mig 29 super Fulcrum on the Amiga, and both costing £29.99 back then (which would have been what, 1989? 1990) adjusted for inflation thats £59.08p.

Snes Games were impossible to pirate (virtually) and I paid £49.99 for SF2 turbo.
I remember being stiffed £44.99 for Resident evil on the PS1 as well.

You think that's bad - Turok - Dinosaur Hunter on the N64 retailed at £60 when first out. But hey, it was cutting edge technology at the time, and the consumer was more than willing to fork over the dough.
 
What a lot of people who use torrents for piracy (and other methods) dont realise is the number of companies set up to monitor such actions. Obtaining copyrighted material be it software, music or films is not something that the owners of the intellectual property are willing to turn a blind eye too. They will go after the pirates once they have the means and it wont be for just recent actions.
 
You think that's bad - Turok - Dinosaur Hunter on the N64 retailed at £60 when first out. But hey, it was cutting edge technology at the time, and the consumer was more than willing to fork over the dough.

superb game back in the day though! Money well spent imo :P
 
People saying £40 is too much for a game. Compare the cost per hour for other forms of entertainment. Cinema will be £3-4 per hour. Renting a film £2 per hour etc. If you buy your games wisely £40 can be great value. 2 instances in mind, Dragon Age 50 to 60 hours for a thourough playthrough, mw2 you could easily spend 50 hours in mp. On the flip side you could buy a game like Batman AA, which while imo a great game is short. To say that 'i will pirate the game because £40 is a rip off' the real statement should be simply 'i will pirate the game because i can and i'd rather not spend money on it' Thats why people pirate don't try to hide piracy with a sense that you are fighting a cause, you pirate because you can.
 
People saying £40 is too much for a game. Compare the cost per hour for other forms of entertainment. Cinema will be £3-4 per hour. Renting a film £2 per hour etc. If you buy your games wisely £40 can be great value. 2 instances in mind, Dragon Age 50 to 60 hours for a thourough playthrough, mw2 you could easily spend 50 hours in mp. On the flip side you could buy a game like Batman AA, which while imo a great game is short. To say that 'i will pirate the game because £40 is a rip off' the real statement should be simply 'i will pirate the game because i can and i'd rather not spend money on it' Thats why people pirate don't try to hide piracy with a sense that you are fighting a cause, you pirate because you can.

I really don't care how much you could get from it. The point is, did they put £40 worth of effort into it. MW2 for the pc? Not a chance.
 
OK, I'll go slower for you.

1a) Pirates argue that they are not 'taking any goods' therefore they are not committing any serious crime
1b) Putting a webcam in a shower involves taking no goods, therefore following this logic can be justified by the perv as not committing any serious crime

2a) Pirates argue that they would not have bought the game anyway, so pirating it is not a problem
2b) The 'webcam' guys would not have done anything to attempt to 'legitimately' see the girl naked, therefore they argue the webcam makes no difference it changes nothing -- the girl was not going to be taken out on dates whatever happened so why not? She should never find out, no problem. Sound familiar yet?

3a) Pirates suggest their crimes are victimless
3b) The girl in the shower will never know she was filmed, therefore 'it's victimless'. Wahay -- echo?.

4a) Pirates claim it's OK because 'loads of people do it'
4b) If loads of people did the shower thing, people would undoubtably claim it isn't that bad also.

5a) Pirates claim it's the game's industries' fault for not, er, doing a very good demo / using DRM / offering you a specific license / price / anything else we can possibly think of
5b) The perv says 'girls are never interested in him' and 'don't give him a fair chance'. They don't understand him. They find him creepy / anything else he can possibly think of. Hardly his fault eh? And still -- the comparisons continue -- it's always 'someone else's fault' the crime is done .. Wahay -- you're both justifying your crime on the behaviour of the actual victim. Nice. Of course 'just leaving the blimin' victim alone' doesn't really spring to mind... that wouldn't be fun at all ..

6) They are both relatively easy crimes to action.


So what I'm donig is COMPARING you, or more specifically your moral standards, to a person that puts a webcam in a shower to covertly take film of girls showering. Because your logic is the same, your reasons, your understanding of how 'it hurts no-one', the same thoughts of 'where's the problem?'. You both justify your crimes in preciesly the same way, managing to persuade yourself there is no real issue with it. It's almost funny ..

The ONLY difference is the moral dilemma. You place a high 'moral value' against spying on girls. You place a low 'moral value' on stealing software. And it is precisely, exactly, this moral dilemma which I have issue with. The fact you can justify being a thief, but somehow spying on girls is outrageous. It's bizarre.

And yes -- I'm afraid the perv would find YOU outrageous for thinking nothing of stealing stuff. It's a 2-way, mutual dislike thing. Us on the fence -- well -- I see 2 peas in a pod ..

To the normal person in the street, they are about the same level of offence. TO THE LAW, they are about the same level of offence. But, just like, exactly like, the guy with the webcam who thinks 'where's the harm' -- you keep justifying to yourself the theft is OK. Again -- 2 peas in the same pod ..

Never forget, the average Joe in the street thinks the crimes are about as bad as each other. That's how you're regarded by joe average. Don't forget .. line both you and the perv in front on a judge -- society will give you about the same sentence. You're about as bad as each other, according to EVERYONE (apart from yourselves, of course).

Wow... the sheer insanity eminating from your posts in this thread is actually slightly scary :eek:
 
Wow... the sheer insanity eminating from your posts in this thread is actually slightly scary :eek:

For added laughs, consider the fact that he replied to me without reading my posts. I don't pirate games at all, as I consider it morally wrong. He just ranted the whole thing from his own imagination.
 
OK, I'll go slower for you.

1a) Pirates argue that they are not 'taking any goods' therefore they are not committing any serious crime
1b) Putting a webcam in a shower involves taking no goods, therefore following this logic can be justified by the perv as not committing any serious crime

2a) Pirates argue that they would not have bought the game anyway, so pirating it is not a problem
2b) The 'webcam' guys would not have done anything to attempt to 'legitimately' see the girl naked, therefore they argue the webcam makes no difference it changes nothing -- the girl was not going to be taken out on dates whatever happened so why not? She should never find out, no problem. Sound familiar yet?

3a) Pirates suggest their crimes are victimless
3b) The girl in the shower will never know she was filmed, therefore 'it's victimless'. Wahay -- echo?.

4a) Pirates claim it's OK because 'loads of people do it'
4b) If loads of people did the shower thing, people would undoubtably claim it isn't that bad also.

5a) Pirates claim it's the game's industries' fault for not, er, doing a very good demo / using DRM / offering you a specific license / price / anything else we can possibly think of
5b) The perv says 'girls are never interested in him' and 'don't give him a fair chance'. They don't understand him. They find him creepy / anything else he can possibly think of. Hardly his fault eh? And still -- the comparisons continue -- it's always 'someone else's fault' the crime is done .. Wahay -- you're both justifying your crime on the behaviour of the actual victim. Nice. Of course 'just leaving the blimin' victim alone' doesn't really spring to mind... that wouldn't be fun at all ..

6) They are both relatively easy crimes to action.


So what I'm donig is COMPARING you, or more specifically your moral standards, to a person that puts a webcam in a shower to covertly take film of girls showering. Because your logic is the same, your reasons, your understanding of how 'it hurts no-one', the same thoughts of 'where's the problem?'. You both justify your crimes in preciesly the same way, managing to persuade yourself there is no real issue with it. It's almost funny ..

The ONLY difference is the moral dilemma. You place a high 'moral value' against spying on girls. You place a low 'moral value' on stealing software. And it is precisely, exactly, this moral dilemma which I have issue with. The fact you can justify being a thief, but somehow spying on girls is outrageous. It's bizarre.

And yes -- I'm afraid the perv would find YOU outrageous for thinking nothing of stealing stuff. It's a 2-way, mutual dislike thing. Us on the fence -- well -- I see 2 peas in a pod ..

To the normal person in the street, they are about the same level of offence. TO THE LAW, they are about the same level of offence. But, just like, exactly like, the guy with the webcam who thinks 'where's the harm' -- you keep justifying to yourself the theft is OK. Again -- 2 peas in the same pod ..

Never forget, the average Joe in the street thinks the crimes are about as bad as each other. That's how you're regarded by joe average. Don't forget .. line both you and the perv in front on a judge -- society will give you about the same sentence. You're about as bad as each other, according to EVERYONE (apart from yourselves, of course).

You have some serious serious issues if you think that makes sense.
 
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