Air France to charge obese passengers for two seats
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Actually fat is the side effect and not the cause of many of the complications, bed eating and lack of exercise is the problem. Many thin people have almost the same risk as fat people. As research has showed.
Trust me. I have been on a flight with a "fatty" next to me squished between the solid arm rests and his blubber still spilled past the armrest into my personal seat space!
Definitely charged for two seats if you are too big.
Charge by weight, no.
Midgets would fly for almost free!
I hope you endorse the same for body builders or anyone with broad shoulders.
For a 200t 747 I would guess "Not a lot really".
Research has showed it has it?
What about body sores and rashes, being less able than a normal person, the effects carrying around extra weight does to the cardiovascular system to name a few..
they the result of side effects are they? I'd say those complications are the result of being fat.
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Am I the only one who thinks it should be charged by weight, and size?
If you're so fat you're going to be making someone whose paid for their seat uncomftable and give them less space, well, thats simply unfair. You should pay for a extra wide seat at a higher cost, or two seats, theres no two way around this it should happen without question.
The ONLy time it shouldn't count is if a flight isn't full and there are spare seats, but even in that situation the extra weight does increase fuel use and cost.
Big huge muscular people would likely still pay more due to weight, but not pay for a second seat as by and large a decently sized muscle guy will be heavy but far slimmer and less bulky than a fat person of equal weight. However a ridiculously big muscly guy should pay for two seats if thats what he uses. You choose to become hugely muscular, by way of a hobby, job, persuit of strength, whatever.
As a society we really should be encouraging people to be not only thinner, but healthier, and yes, we should penalise obese people. The very few obese people who are in such a condition due to a real medical problem will likely have very little difficulty in getting a certificate from a doc which should fairly excuse them from a higher fee. Like a person in a wheelchair shouldn't be charged extra for taking up more space.
That I simply don't believe in the slightest, yes unhealthy or incredibly unfit thin people have far more health risks than a healthy or fit person of the same weight, but a fat person does have far higher health risks still. An incredibly fit fat person also has less health risks than an incredibly unfit fat person, and theres likely some cross over between very fit/fat people and very unfit/thin people in terms of risks.
Fatter people quite literally put more strain on the heart, have fat rather surrounding and pressuring internal organs and almost always have higher blood pressure as the blood takes more pressure to push around the body to the same capacity.
Fat people also have, unsurprisingly, a higher load on joints, which aren't designed for it, in terms of actual care, a unfit/slim person whose in for a heart operation will literally take less people to care for them than a fat/unfit person.
As biohazard hinted, even being stuck in bed the extra weight results in higher pressure and more body sores, which requires prevention, it will take more people to turn and care for someone twice the weight. Its nonsense to suggest theres less risk for fat people than thin people.
Research that simply arbitrarily puts all fat people in one group regardless of their fitness, diet and overall health, and all thin people ignoring their actual health, will come up with all sorts of terrible "research data" thats completely useless.
If you're so fat you're going to be making someone whose paid for their seat uncomftable and give them less space, well, thats simply unfair. You should pay for a extra wide seat at a higher cost, or two seats, theres no two way around this it should happen without question.
The ONLy time it shouldn't count is if a flight isn't full and there are spare seats, but even in that situation the extra weight does increase fuel use and cost.
Big huge muscular people would likely still pay more due to weight, but not pay for a second seat as by and large a decently sized muscle guy will be heavy but far slimmer and less bulky than a fat person of equal weight. However a ridiculously big muscly guy should pay for two seats if thats what he uses. You choose to become hugely muscular, by way of a hobby, job, persuit of strength, whatever.
As a society we really should be encouraging people to be not only thinner, but healthier, and yes, we should penalise obese people. The very few obese people who are in such a condition due to a real medical problem will likely have very little difficulty in getting a certificate from a doc which should fairly excuse them from a higher fee. Like a person in a wheelchair shouldn't be charged extra for taking up more space.
That I simply don't believe in the slightest, yes unhealthy or incredibly unfit thin people have far more health risks than a healthy or fit person of the same weight, but a fat person does have far higher health risks still. An incredibly fit fat person also has less health risks than an incredibly unfit fat person, and theres likely some cross over between very fit/fat people and very unfit/thin people in terms of risks.
Fatter people quite literally put more strain on the heart, have fat rather surrounding and pressuring internal organs and almost always have higher blood pressure as the blood takes more pressure to push around the body to the same capacity.
Fat people also have, unsurprisingly, a higher load on joints, which aren't designed for it, in terms of actual care, a unfit/slim person whose in for a heart operation will literally take less people to care for them than a fat/unfit person.
As biohazard hinted, even being stuck in bed the extra weight results in higher pressure and more body sores, which requires prevention, it will take more people to turn and care for someone twice the weight. Its nonsense to suggest theres less risk for fat people than thin people.
Research that simply arbitrarily puts all fat people in one group regardless of their fitness, diet and overall health, and all thin people ignoring their actual health, will come up with all sorts of terrible "research data" thats completely useless.
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sores? rashes? unable?
As for joints same can be said for footballers and cyclists, who often have far more joint problems especially in the knees. and no I'm not saying this is bad. I'm trying to say most peoples views are based on prejudice and know very little about health and they see as long as they are thin they are fine. Which simply is not the case.
Exactly which is what we have at the moment. Or at least the message.
Your not fat then you are ok. That is not the case. Cholestrol, diabetes and many other things are much more about about diet and exercise.
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I'm fat, in fact according to my BMI I'm probably obese. My cholesterol is low, I have low blood pressure, my blood sugar is fine. I can jog 2-3 miles with no problem. I eat resonably normally, I don't have sugar or salt and avoid junk food. I try to go to the gym twice a week and Aikido 2-4 times a week.
I have central weight, that gives me a big waist and I'm broad shouldered. However I don't spill over into other seats, or take up other peoples room and I'm 5'9" ish. I keep myself to myself, happy in my little seat.
Why should I pay more, purely because I have more kg than the next person?
I have central weight, that gives me a big waist and I'm broad shouldered. However I don't spill over into other seats, or take up other peoples room and I'm 5'9" ish. I keep myself to myself, happy in my little seat.
Why should I pay more, purely because I have more kg than the next person?
Nope.
I just think its a bit of a silly statement to make without any evidence, depending on the quantity that your "many" means of course.
Not sure if this has been bought up already and I'm not about to read through 6 pages of people going "It's prejudice" "It's not" "It is" "It's not".. But..
Fat people on airlines encroach on the seats either side of them. Whilst their overal size may be under the width of two seats together, you can't make them sit in the middle surely? Airline seats aren't just long benches.
So what are they going to do? Charge fat person A for two seats but still put people in the two seats either side of them? Or just one side? Or start including special 'fat seats' like they do on rollercoasters in America?
Fat people on airlines encroach on the seats either side of them. Whilst their overal size may be under the width of two seats together, you can't make them sit in the middle surely? Airline seats aren't just long benches.
So what are they going to do? Charge fat person A for two seats but still put people in the two seats either side of them? Or just one side? Or start including special 'fat seats' like they do on rollercoasters in America?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4778274.stm
With similar results in many other other "fat" related diseases.
There are no 2 ways about it, more weight = more fuel.
Why should someone be charged for excess baggage when their total weight (body and baggage) is less than someone else's total weight. The excess baggage fee is mostly to cover the increase in fuel.
Congratulations, your BBC link is a very basic report on a study that shows people who don't exercise, both fat and thin, are unhealthy. That's all it has shown.
Edit - Not even that, it just shows that in one particular area, both thin and fat people who don't exercise both suffer the same problem
Now here is a Peer reviewed scientific study, not a news media article, that outlines the problems with being fat
The Lancet Medical Journal issue 366
American Journal of Medical Genetics - here is another.
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Which was the point and the first hit on google. There's been many studys showing a similar trend.
Yes because fat people generally eat rubbish and don't exercise hence the problems. Most of the complications are caused by the bad eating and lack of exercise rather than the weight itself (not all). Being thin is no guarantee you are not in the high risk.
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Don't be a moron. It's to turn more profit.
So if thats the case, why do they limit the amount of excess baggage someone can take?
I am not arguing that being thin is a guarantee you are not in the high risk.
I am arguing that this -
are a load of rubbish.
I have provided to medical science journals which prove it, hence my "Nope"
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