Nick Griffin on Haiti

Darkst4r said:
Cant say I agree with this guy on a regular basis but this certainly makes sense to me. With us being left the bill for the bankers **** ups and the recent hike in VAT what do they really expect us to donate, shirt buttons ?

Heres the speech he gave to the European parliament on the recent disaster in Haiti :

The horror of Haiti is shocking, and it is only human to feel compassion for the innocent victims of this natural disaster.

All here are well paid – and can afford to give. I will give my attendance allowance for today, if every other British M.E.P. will do the same. But our constituents cannot afford your generosity with their taxes.

Globalism has destroyed our industries, the banks have ruined our economies, EU red-tape is strangling our entrepreneurs and the carbon tax scam is plunging millions into deadly fuel poverty.

The death toll in Haiti is shocking, but this winter more than 50,000 pensioners in Britain alone will die premature deaths because of the cold and the cost of heating. Across Europe the death toll will run into hundreds of thousands.

But because the truth shames the political elite, and because it highlights the inconvenient truth of global cooling, this scandal will be buried as quietly as our elderly dead.

Hundreds of thousands of our own people are dying because of government neglect and EU Cold Taxes, yet you insist on throwing other people´s money at a disaster in someone else´s backyard. This is not compassion, it is stinking hypocrisy.

I know this place is uneasy with our Christian heritage but, as always, our Bible reveals an eternal truth that most here would rather ignore: 1st Book of Timothy 5. 8:

“But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”
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So true. Thanks for sharing.
 
Yawn, Nick Griffin pandering yet again, trying to grab headlines.

If every UK citizen donated just a single £1 then the aid work in Haiti would be greatly helped.

I don't think the Charities are expecting us to give our entire Pay Check, Government Budget, Taxes or what ever else to the appeal!

Wake up Griffin!
 
JamesU2005 said:
Yawn, Nick Griffin pandering yet again, trying to grab headlines.

If every UK citizen donated just a single £1 then the aid work in Haiti would be greatly helped.

I don't think the Charities are expecting us to give our entire Pay Check, Government Budget, Taxes or what ever else to the appeal!

Wake up Griffin!
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He wasn't begrudging citizens giving to charities etc.

Infact he doesn't even mention the word charity once in his speech.

He was talking about our taxes going in its millions to aid these people when according to our goverment we can't afford essentials for our own people. Nothing to do with wether charities expect that or not.

Well done on seeing the name Nick Griffin, not reading the points he makes and joining the band wagon though.
 
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Tom0 said:
He was talking about our taxes going in its millions to aid these people when according to our goverment we can't afford essentials for our own people. Nothing to do with wether charities expect that or not.
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He is talking rubbish though as we already give out £2.7bn in winter fuel allowance, so the £10m we are sending to Haiti is not much at all.
 
RDM said:
He is talking rubbish though as we already give out £2.7bn in winter fuel allowance, so the £10m we are sending to Haiti is not much at all.
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That's fair to say, but it wasn't the point I was making.
 
With the end of colonialism, the demise of the British Empire (Imperial France in this case), and the financial mess, I'm inclined to agree with him. Charity begins at home.
 
Tom0 said:
He was talking about our taxes going in its millions to aid these people when according to our goverment we can't afford essentials for our own people. Nothing to do with wether charities expect that or not.
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I'm afraid it's not true. We can easily afford the essentials for our own people. We, unfortunately, choose not to supply them. We are well within our abilities to ensure that every, single, living being in this country has access to warm shelter and sustenance. Last year UK tax revenues were over £500,000,000,000. If this country were closer to a true democracy we would have eradicated serious poverty a long time ago; no one believes that anyone should go hungry or die of the cold in winter.

However, we are in a position right now where we have funds put aside for this kind of emergency, and our pounds can do a significant amount of good in Haiti. Reports are suggesting that three million have been affected by the quake and two million have had their homes destroyed - that's 20% of the entire country's population. As a comparison, due to the programmes and facilities in place in the UK, less than 0.001% of the population sleeps rough, and many of those are what's classified as "intentionally homeless". We still need to help that 0.001% through rehabilitation and education, but they are likely "surviving". That sounds horrible to say (but it's not intended to be horrible), as we are a very rich society that should support these people, but it is very difficult to do so and they are currently managing to keep going on the back of our rich society.

Right now the Haitian's are in dire straights and seriously need our assistance. They can't go and ask a businessman for a quid for a McDonald's tea, or go along to a soup kitchen, or go to the council seeking homelessness assistance. The situation in Haiti is very very different and on much large scale. Right now, they need our help.

If you feel strongly, as you should, about the situation many of our elderly find themselves in - the so called "food or fuel" scenario - and the general existence of poverty in this country, then I suggest you write to your MP and start a petition. I suspect no-one will refuse to sign a petition to eradicate serious poverty.
 
RDM said:
But it is valid and makes his call for "looking after all the old people" pretty much just gesture politics and spin and not the real concern of his.
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Again, not the point I was making, as valid as it maybe.

My point was that someone has seen the name Nick Griffin, ignored the merits of what he said, conjured up there own take loosely on what the topic is and blurted out something that hasn't been thought about. He didn't once say citizens shouldn't give to charities or what charities expectations are or aren't. He said that our goverment constantly bleat on about how much of a dire situation we are but give tens of millions away. Old people and heating is just one of the many examples of this.

Is looking after old people not something our goverment should be concerned with then?

Is it fine to take £20 million from our people (which according to our goverment so desperatley need, tighten your belts, recession recession recession etc.) and give it to departments of international development just because these departments exsist?
 
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Okay, after reading a few of the rants going on in here I will throw my views in - something I don't normally do when politics is involved as everyone involved in that is looking after #1 and no one else, but here goes:

1. Is Griffin using the Haiti situation to drum up support for him and the BNP?
- Of course he is, there is an election in the near future, but you cannot just tar him with that brush. Yes, he is exploiting the situation for the 'uneducated'* to go to his side. However, isn't the current Government also exploiting the situation with the, and I quote from this thread, 'liberal hippies'. They think the Government is great because we are looking after the rest of the world and may sway them to vote again for this generous leadership.

Swings and roundabouts on that one.

2. Should we be donating so much elsewhere at this time?
- To be honest I say no, but there again how much money has every Government given away (be it Tory, Lab or whoever) to the good cause over the years. Africa, Ethiopia, Haiti - whoever it is, there is always someone receiving money from this country (amongst others)

3. Is it a bad situation and will I donate?
- Hell yes, people in peril, homes, businesses etc in ruins over there but no, I will not be donating.

4. Why am I being a tight wad?
- In the face of people calling me one of Nick Griffins 'uneducated', I will not be donating because the Government in donating my money for me. No dount somewhere in that vast wads going there, my miniscule tax will be included in there.

Like others have mentioned, people here also need help - okay, the situation is clearly no where as bad as it is in Haiti (or wherever the next disaster occurs), but when it comes to pensioners not being able to afford heating etc I believe a bit of cash should go their way as well. I can't see the winter fuel bonus of, I think this is right, 20 quid going far this winter.

This country, at the moment, is on its knees but the British mentality, be it good or bad, is to help others first, something that I doubt will ever change. But we do need to start thinking of people here.

Before the masses start baying for my blood, when I mean help people here I mean the people who want help to get back on their feet - not the leechers of the country, but no one can help them - however this post is not related to them. I mean the unemployed due to the recession, I mean the pensioners etc that can't afford heating etc.

I could go on and on, but think these are the main points and this post is just going to go on and on!

Apologies for the length, but thats my view from someone who is disillusioned with politics in this country and from someone who, in some ways, agrees with Griffins statement (although its still political smoke and mirrors to get the voters in) - does that make me a tight uneducated guy?

Think thats more than my 2p :)
 
Briton said:
My mother got it, and she doesn't need it.
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I think this is an interesting point, and one I was thinking when I was reading about the total cost - the WFP is not means tested. So, people are who massively well off, are still receiving the WFP? No wonder this is an expensive policy! It would be more cost effective and be achieving the goal of ending fuel poverty for the elderly if it were not paid to those able to afford the fuel. From some Googling, reports earlier this year indicated that much less than 15% of those in receipt of it are in need of it. Without knowing the basis for the statistics it's hard to comment, but it seems like you could remove it from the wealthiest 50% of receivers and double the payments to £500 and £800 respectively for the poorest 50% of receivers.
 
PMKeates said:
I think this is an interesting point, and one I was thinking when I was reading about the total cost - the WFP is not means tested. So, people are who massively well off, are still receiving the WFP? No wonder this is an expensive policy! It would be more cost effective and be achieving the goal of ending fuel poverty for the elderly if it were not paid to those able to afford the fuel. From some Googling, reports earlier this year indicated that much less than 15% of those in receipt of it are in need of it. Without knowing the basis for the statistics it's hard to comment, but it seems like you could remove it from the wealthiest 50% of receivers and double the payments to £500 and £800 respectively for the poorest 50% of receivers.
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I suspect the amount of penshioners who are fairly comforably off; very comfortable in global terms, we all are, is at least 50%. Problem is that means testing often leads to those in greatest need missing out.
 
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