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This is the story average frame rates don't show. Look at the min fps for WiC, the 620 shows decent average fps but dips to 23fps whereas the i7's (920 is not shown but is around the 750/870 mark) maintain the 60fps needed for smooth gameplay. At the higher res test the 620 dips to 17fps, i7 minimum is 49. This is where the premium is worthwhile offering almost 3 times the minimum fps performance, that's where the i7 scores it's gaming bang for buck.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1073/11/
 
This is the story average frame rates don't show. Look at the min fps for WiC, the 620 shows decent average fps but dips to 23fps whereas the i7's (920 is not shown but is around the 750/870 mark) maintain the 60fps needed for smooth gameplay. At the higher res test the 620 dips to 17fps, i7 minimum is 49. This is where the premium is worthwhile offering almost 3 times the minimum fps performance, that's where the i7 scores it's gaming bang for buck.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1073/11/

Yeah but that's a very cache happy game. It's not repeated in crysis for example.

Take the phenom II, it does much better, now take the fact that all phenom II owners here have likely overclocked their NB (includes cache here) then they are going to do a lot better in that test.

So at least the Phenom II owners are going to do a lot better in that test.

Athlon II owners just have to accept the effects of lack of cache.
 
The phenoms also perform poorly at wic in that review and saying you can overclock is pointless as you can overclock the i7 and to much higher MHz over it's base clock speed.
The result is not as pronounced in crysis but it's still very noticable. The i7 is able to maintain double the 620's min fps at the lower res test and a third faster at the high res.
 
Take a phenom II X2 555 BE, unlock it and there is your best value right now.

The 630 getting 2/3rds of an i7 in crysis high res however is quite impressive.
 
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Wic is that world in conflict i own the complete edition
anyone wanna run the benchmark with me and compare results
obviously youd need a 5770 lol
 
Take a phenom II X2 555 BE, unlock it and there is your best value right now.

The 640 getting 2/3rds of an i7 in crysis high res however is quite impressive.

i have crysis running very high 2xAA and i never even see a blip in the FPS it runs ridiculously smooth
 
Have you posted your results in either of the crysis threads?
I wish more reviews showed the min fps as that is what's more important to gameplay experience than an average rate that hides dips so bad they ruin the experience and give potential buyers the impression they can get 100fps constantly.
 
Have you posted your results in either of the crysis threads?
I wish more reviews showed the min fps as that is what's more important to gameplay experience than an average rate that hides dips so bad they ruin the experience and give potential buyers the impression they can get 100fps constantly.

If someone wants to compile the crysis results that would be a good idea as there are way to many to trawl through

do you all use the crysis benchmark tool

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just ran the benchmark at 3.7GHZ and 4GHZ both runs were identical which means that the runs were limited by the GFX card i cannot conclude anymore stats unless i upgrade to a 58/59 series or until i get my second 5770

anyway thats enough off topic for today if u want to discuss it further post in the GFX section were i will respond appropriately
 
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I'm confused. Is the amd x4 620 under discussion not a phenom 2 processor?

Yes

Its the mid range AMD offering against the topend intel i7.

And the question is, why is the i7 so much more expensive?


I mean we all know the answer to this question. It's because the i7 poops all over the Athlon II X4, and is faster at stock than a Phenom II 965 overclocked to 4ghz.

But some people are still struggling with this concept.:p
 
So it's an Athlon processor, not a Phenom, where Phenom > Athlon. I assume the difference is cache related, where Wayne would argue cache makes a negligible difference?
 
So it's an Athlon processor, not a Phenom, where Phenom > Athlon. I assume the difference is cache related, where Wayne would argue cache makes a negligible difference?

Yeah

The Athlon II X4 is cheap for a reason...Minimum FPS in games suffer and the chip really is false economy.

Its cheap but I proved and posted in this very thread that you can buy an i3 mobo chip and ram combo for the same price as Athlon II X4 and have a far Superior gaming rig on every level.

But hey its like ******* into the wind sometimes and some people just refuse to handle the truth.

Selective benchmarks have been used on page 2 with the AMD parts running faster GFX cards in the test compared to i7.

Again an i7 920 mobo chip and ram combo can be had for 47 quid more than a Phenom II 965.

This stock 920 will beat this Phenom II 965 running at 4ghz.

Its all out there.
 
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"Pour yourself a cup of Bang-for-Buck!"

looking at the colour of the bottles I would say it would be like drinking either Anti-freeze or Washer fluid! :D

Seriously though I'm not going to be drawn into this argument. I was an AMD man for the 1st part of the last decade then went over to intel. Having said that, I've got a soft spot for AMD & may consider going back when I next upgrade.
 
looking at the colour of the bottles I would say it would be like drinking either Anti-freeze or Washer fluid! :D

Seriously though I'm not going to be drawn into this argument. I was an AMD man for the 1st part of the last decade then went over to intel. Having said that, I've got a soft spot for AMD & may consider going back when I next upgrade.

I would love to go back to AMD, Loved my Opty 170's had about three of them.

However I work hard for a living and want the fastest hardware for my hard earned cash.

Thats not to say I spend willy nilly.

I look at the performance and way up the performance for the outlay.

I mean why would anyone in their right mind, if building a rig at Athlon X4 pricing not buy an i3 is beyond me.

4ghz i3 very easy to do and offers great performance in games.

Being shackled by Brand/company devotion is bad for the individual, progress and technology in general.

If AMD was cheaper by a huge margin then I can understand.But quite frankly they are not.

Intel get a bad rep for product pricing and yet their low end line at 88 quid for a chip beats the Athlon II X4 and Phenom II in games!

Its clear enough.
 
Its the [perceived] mid range AMD offering against the [perceived] topend intel i7
It's a quad core vs a quad core, you can leave any perceived marketing classifications out of it . . . .

And the question is, why is the i7 so much more expensive?
Than the AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 that is Indeed the question! :)

I mean we all know the answer to this question. It's because the i7 poops all over the Athlon II X4
Your capacity to digest imperical evidence is quite amusing . . . you have already been spoon-fed some test results where the i7 is shown to be lacking but you have disregarded that in your subjective bias . . . if there was any doubt in my mind as to your lack of understand of logic you have demonstrated this beyond count in this one single thread . . . I have no doubts in my mind that you are beyond reason and rational thought but I have to endure your *contributions* to my thread still! :D

But some people are still struggling with this concept.:p
I think it would be abundantly obvious to anyone reading this thread that certain people are struggling to understand the O.P let alone the details contained herein, you have managed rarely to grasp what this debate is about and truth be told it makes no odds to me however you continually spam with off topic discussion in an attempt to pervert the logical path I am attempting to take it . . . and for this I do not owe you a debt of gratitude!
 
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Having looked at some benchmarks and prices AMD seems like a good route to go on a budget
Hello 1337z0r,

I am of the same opinion however this view is not shared by the many! :D . . . I do believe the AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 makes a lot of sense once you rid yourself of any marketing bias and simply look at the facts presented . . . I'm confident anyone moving from an LGA775 system will indeed appreciate the new technology like the IMC . . . . the problem seems to be you have to go against the pack and lose the herd mentality that seems so prevalent in our community . . . I don't mind what you do but I am glad at least you considered the Full spectrum of hardware and did not limit your choice, good luck! :)

that's where the i7 scores it's gaming bang for buck
I am amazed that anyone can construct a sentence using the word INTEL® Core™ i7 920 and Bang-for-buck contained within! :D

JeffyB, I have a task to perform here and sadly it does mean I have to demonstrate what the price premium of the 920 offers above and beyond that of the 620, I do not wish you offend you by washing away the marketing generated illusions that you hold dear but there is no other way . . . your perception of the AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 is clouded by subjective bias and a multi-million dollar $$$ marketing campaign designed to trick you into spending more money than you need, it is in fact nothing more than brainwashing as can be proven by the fact that you are now part of the Marketing Hokus-Pokus acting as a guardian of the Intel® Corporation in your attempts to defend and justify that which you believe to be true . . . the statement you have made above proves the falsehood of which I speak . . .

You know, I’ve never been one to pick a side, or say that one thing is better than another, but this thread makes me want to start marketing for Intel :)
ffallic, there is a lot wrong with your post and I do not wish to admonish you but I feel it is my duty . . . firstly and *most* importantly you have the sides all wrong, it is not AMD vs Intel . . . it is us the people vs the huge nameless, soulless corporations that attempt to dictate to us what we need and what we should buy and what the price is . . . I have picked the lesser of the two evils to pit against the giant that is Intel® Corporation . . . I forgive you for making the incorrect assumption that this is one of the old classic Intel® vs AMD® flame wars but it is not, I have transcended that divide and conquer mentality that has been imposed on us so that we cannot logically discern right from wrong and continually squabble and bicker while the truth remains elusive. . . let this thread bear witness to that truth . . . I am honestly trying to unite us for the greater good and would ask you kindly to realise I have your well being and the well being of all my community as the highest priority. I would be grateful if you could join in this discussion without any bias except that which I have already spoke of and perhaps together as a group we can reach a satisfying conclusion . . .

I have noted that in your past remarks spread across many threads you seem to detract from the conversation with negative remarks but fail to inject anything positive, there is scope for improvement here and I would urge you to rethink the situation . . . I come in peace and I want the best for all of us, I hope my passion and enthusiasm does not offend you as that is not what I would want but at the same time I do not wish to reduce my capacity to be passionate and enjoy life in order that others do not feel lacking . . .

In regard to you comments on wanting to become part of the Intel® Corporation marketing force I believe you already are . . .although amusingly you are unaware of this! :D

Take the [off topic hardware] , it does much better, now take the fact that all [off topic hardware] owners here have likely overclocked their NB (includes cache here) then they are going to do a lot better in that test.
Hello Meaker, I am trying to get a group of people to focus on two specific products of my choosing and it is proving very hard indeed! :D

Take a [off topic hardware], unlock it and there is your best value right now.

The 630 getting 2/3rds of an i7 in crysis high res however is quite impressive.
Hehe just to remind you the subject of this one single thread on this one single sub forum one this one single forum is:

  • INTEL® Core™ i7 920
  • AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620
"What are you thought's about this? . . . do you think the Intel® Core™ i7 is worth a 100% price premium?"


I'm confused. Is the AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 under discussion not a phenom 2 processor?
Yes Jon, I'm not sure why there is such a problem here, most curious that people cannot logically compare two specific products of my choosing! :D
Let me give you some information to help re-orientate your further contributions . . . . The Intel® Corporation has designed and implemented their whole product range around limited competition, the focus for their entire business strategies, product, pricing, place and promotion has been based entirely around the [off topic hardware] . . . now the AMD® Athlon™ II series has popped up on to the battlefield their entire product range faces some real competition! :eek: . . . . sadly the truth of this upstart is being supressed by the media . . . the same media that runs entirely from advertising generated revenues . . . do some homework on what the Intel® Corporation spend annually on advertising and marketing and then you may begin to see it is nothing more than a logical fallacy, specifically Argumentum ad nauseam, I am saddened how little people are not thinking for themselves and there is so much substantiation necessary in these matters but it is abundantly lacking* heh! :p (*oxymoron)

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Two products Under Discussion in this thread my friends!!!!!


  • INTEL® Core™ i7 920
  • AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620
If you cannot understand that and respect my wishes as O.P then please go elsewhere, Off Topic misdirection is not welcome, nor is thread trashing, please respect my wishes otherwise there will be consequences, thank you for your co-operation! :cool:
 
Wayne why do you still try to flog a dead horse and choose to ignore the evidence I posted regarding min frame rates and the use of a different cards in the benchmarks you appear to have based a lot of this on. Amd have made up some ground but not enough to force the higher end of the performance market down. I won't just buy an amd system in some misguided belief it will make things better for everyone when the enthusiast market makes up such a small percentage of sales in the oem dominated market. If you want cheap pc fair enough (i3 is still arguably better) but you cannot even remotely compare the 2 setups. I for one would not like to see my shiny new £350 graphics card chugging along at 17fps.
 
Hello 1337z0r,

I am of the same opinion however this view is not shared by the many! :D . . . I do believe the AMD® Athlon™ II X4 620 makes a lot of sense once you rid yourself of any marketing bias and simply look at the facts presented . . . I'm confident anyone moving from an LGA775 system will indeed appreciate the new technology like the IMC . . . . the problem seems to be you have to go against the pack and lose the herd mentality that seems so prevalent in our community . . . I don't mind what you do but I am glad at least you considered the Full spectrum of hardware and did not limit your choice, good luck! :)
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I agree with a lot of what you're saying. The 620 is indeed a fantastic 'bang for buck' processor and AMD undoubtedly are offering the best' bang for buck' currently. However, this propoganda stuff? Are you telling me that the i5 750 actually isn't a faster than AMDs fastest mainstream offering? :p Intel currently rule the higher-midrange and the high end and AMD are doing a great job with their low-midrange processors. I'm not at all familiar with either companies marketing practices and I'm certainly not defending them, but I personally wanted something high end for around 300-350, saw that the i5 didn't cost much more than the equivalent priced AMD setup and had a fair bit more raw power and decided to go for the i5 over less speed and crossfire capability. I think I made the right choice. Sure, you could say this current setup is too good for me, but would it have made much sense to go for an AMD 965 system which is better at nothing and costs about the same?
 
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