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[TW]Fox;16011380 said:
Should he have gone for a manly Golf 1.4? :D
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;) Not that manly either, I concede. But there's not manly and then there's totally gay!

Strange though that you'd want to bring Golfs into this, considering your recent grievances about threads I post in always turning into BMW vs VW. However, since in this case you seem keen to do so and considering the fact that both cars are small hatchbacks, maybe it's more relevant.

I'm frankly struggling with the inconsistency of your opinons.

Hatchback? Check.
Grey? Check.
4 cyl turbo, low capacity and frugal? Check.

But it has an effeminate interior, a small boot, two doors and awful rear view visibility, what gives? BMW made it you say? Ahh, best thing since sliced bread then. "But you don't buy it for practicality, you buy it for fun" - no you don't, there are plenty of better cars that are impractical and fun.

Presumably you will argue that the biggest difference between the two cars aside from the slightly pacier engine, is that the Mini is not boring unlike the Golf. It is obviously much more interesting because it has wacky retro dials and an interior from a playschool activity area. Still, if camp is better than bland in your books, then that's just a matter of who's tastes are more gay I suppose! Personally, camp vs. bland is not a difficult choice for me.

So, Fox just loves this Mini darling and hates another, fundamentally similar hatchback just because it's not made by BMW and doesn't have wacky dials and Fisher Price plastics all over the interior. The lack of reasoning in many of your opinions once again leads me to conclude that your blind soppy-eyed love for the BMW marque seems to be clouding any hope of obtaining a serious, unbiased opinion from you in this area.

Side note: looking at the specs on the Mini site, it's also interesting to note that BMW somehow managed to kill combined consumption by 4mpg when the car is spec'd with an automatic gearbox?!
 
burns said:
You were looking at 182s as well weren't you? Can I ask why you went for the mini instead in the end?
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The Renault felt like it would fall apart if I sneezed on it.

Even the newer 197 F1 felt too shoddy and flimsy for my liking, it would've annoyed me with the squeaks and rattles.

Good cars though, just not for me.
 
Robbie G said:
So, Fox just loves this Mini darling and hates another, fundamentally similar hatchback just because it's not made by BMW and doesn't have wacky dials and Fisher Price plastics all over the interior.
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No its because its a mini.

Lets not forget, the whole mini concept was so sucessfull that Fiat copied it with the Fiat 500 and now citroen with their DS3.

And by concept, i am of course referring to the out of the dealer customisation that is offered. How many other cars have a choice in the list price of what roof vinyl you'd like ? The mini is a cool car. A golf is not. I'd possibly even argue that the Golf GTI isnt particularly cool either, as its got the stigma attached to the GTI badge of boy racers in mcdonalds car parks. Yes the GTI is a thoroughly acomplished car, but its image to the woman on the street isnt that great.
 
Nice car :)

I am a big MINI fan, I have had two (Cooper S and JCW) and would have another! My previous car was the JCW and sold it to raise money towards buying my first home. Once I have enough saved up again it is likely that I will be getting another.

Yes people may not like the image or the interior but they really should drive one. I have not driven a car that is as much fun. My old JCW had LSD fitted too so it really did enjoy going round the twisties. As said it is not about the most bhp or quickest in a straight line, it is about the enjoyment you have whilst driving it and that is what the MINI gave me.

I wouldn’t say my old MINI looked particularly “girly” as shown below –

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had to drive one of these back from B'ham it was only the cooper version with chilli pack, felt like i needed a physiotherapist when i finally got back home

i was looking forward to driving it back home, i was very disappointed when i did though..... never drove something so uncomfortable and i just felt out of place driving it to, just not my cup of tea at all

o and black stripes and black rims would be my vote...seen a few about and they do look good
 
Tombles said:
I wouldn’t say my old MINI looked particularly “girly” as shown below –
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I would. Great cars etc, can fully appreciate them. But they are very girly, deep down i think we all know this :p

Its just the general bodyshape. Can modify the styling if you wish, fit an aero kit etc, but theres no escaping it. Some different wheels, and the frontal light kits etc improve things somewhat though imo.
 
MrLOL said:
And by concept, i am of course referring to the out of the dealer customisation that is offered. How many other cars have a choice in the list price of what roof vinyl you'd like ? The mini is a cool car. A golf is not.
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Totally agree that a Golf is not a cool car, no worries there. But is a Mini cool? I would argue for a girl, yes, as highlighted by what you pointed out above, which is the fashion-conscious customisation available. However it's a car not a Gok Wan show, so for a boy, no it's not cool.
 
Great car! They are so much fun

Had a blast in my girlfriends Cooper S "John Works" last night and it was so much fun. Luckily hers is a 2004 so the last of the superchargers before they changed for turbos.

Anyway, back on topic, nice seats too!
 
Fantastic car, are those 18"? An MCS with 17"s is bad enough, I dread to think what it'd be like with 18" wheels..

Seems to be perfect for what you want, enjoy it :)

Steedie said:
Had a blast in my girlfriends Cooper S "John Works" last night and it was so much fun. Luckily hers is a 2004 so the last of the superchargers before they changed for turbos.
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The turbo came in with the R56, in 2006..
 
RobbieG said:
I'm frankly struggling with the inconsistency of your opinons.
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I appreciate that but I think we established long ago this is due to perception issues on your part.

Hatchback? Check.
Grey? Check.
4 cyl turbo, low capacity and frugal? Check.
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Using that sort of ridiculous logic you could include that a Citroen Xantia VSX and a Subaru Impreza WRX Sti V5 Wagon are the same car.

Hatchback? Check
Green? Check
4 cylinder 2 litre turbo? Check.

So forgive me if I don't waste any further time on this silly point.

But it has an effeminate interior, a small boot, two doors and awful rear view visibility, what gives? BMW made it you say? Ahh, best thing since sliced bread then. "But you don't buy it for practicality, you buy it for fun" - no you don't, there are plenty of better cars that are impractical and fun.
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The Mini is 'funky and fun'. You might disagree, thats your choice, but its certainly what its marketed as and its certainly a lot of the reason why people buy them. In the context of modern hatchbacks its fun, chuckable and great to drive. It's not quite a Clio 182, but its still a fairly decent hot hatch.

Presumably you will argue that the biggest difference between the two cars aside from the slightly pacier engine, is that the Mini is not boring unlike the Golf. It is obviously much more interesting because it has wacky retro dials and an interior from a playschool activity area. Still, if camp is better than bland in your books, then that's just a matter of who's tastes are more gay I suppose! Personally, camp vs. bland is not a difficult choice for me.
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It speaks volumes that the biggest way you can criticse the car is to say its driven by gay people. What a silly and tiresome opinion that is.

The Mini *is*, like it not, a funky fun 'cool' car. You can put stupid foglights on it, you can cover the roof in a Union Jack, you can fit silly bonnet stripes yet... it still looks alright. Do the same thing to any other car and you'll look like a tard. Do it to the Mini and it just looks right. It's a laugh.

So, Fox just loves this Mini darling and hates another, fundamentally similar hatchback just because it's not made by BMW and doesn't have wacky dials and Fisher Price plastics all over the interior.
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It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact it happens to be made by BMW. Are you honestly saying a Mini Cooper S is fundamentally similar a VW GOlf? What?

The lack of reasoning in many of your opinions
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BWahahaha, whereas 'its for gay people' counts as 'reasoning' in yours? You never cease to amaze me.

once again leads me to conclude that your blind soppy-eyed love for the BMW marque seems to be clouding any hope of obtaining a serious, unbiased opinion from you in this area.
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Complete rubbish. I'm more than capable of being objective when it comes to BMW Group products. I've panned many of them on numerous occasions. I'd never have a Mini, but I think there are many people in this being un-neccesarily harsh on the car because of a load of completely stupid opinions about how gay or girly it is. Great.

So far only Paradigm has criticsed the Cooper S in a way that is at all meaningful.
 
mjt said:
Fantastic car, are those 18"? An MCS with 17"s is bad enough, I dread to think what it'd be like with 18" wheels..

Seems to be perfect for what you want, enjoy it :)


The turbo came in with the R56, in 2006..
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Ah really, I was told the other day it was 2004/54 plate cars that had the turbos

Cheers for that
 
Robbie G said:
Side note: looking at the specs on the Mini site, it's also interesting to note that BMW somehow managed to kill combined consumption by 4mpg when the car is spec'd with an automatic gearbox?!
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I'm not sure if I'm missing something here, but 99.9% of automatic gearboxes (exclude DSG et al which aren't automatic) increase fuel consumption.
 
jamief said:
I'm not sure if I'm missing something here, but 99.9% of automatic gearboxes (exclude DSG et al which aren't automatic) increase fuel consumption.
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Indeed, until (very) recent developments in autobox tech an automatic gearbox would always adversely affect both the performance and fuel consumption of a car over the manual equivilent. Look at any two 3+ year old cars that are available as both auto and manual and have a proper torque convertor or a CVT auto and you'll see the same thing.

DSG doesn't hamper fuel economy but then a DSG box isn't a torque converter or CVT auto.
 
What's all this golf vs mini malarky?

The Mini Cooper S handles 10x better than a non GTI Golf, and, to put it bluntly, just plain is more fun. That enough justifies it to me. On top of this Eidelon has experience of driving minis and enjoys them.
 
Having never seen the inside of a new mini, that speedo looks very unique, the car behind you will be able to read your speed :D
 
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