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Thats why I stated from what I know of it or seen in videos.
"Move" could be implemented in almost all types of game as shown with the add on analogue controller.
It also allows headtracking or adaptble 3D movement to constantly alter the players perspective offering that "looking through a window" aspect.
Do you see people playing FPS or Natal adapting to as many game types?
Id say "Move" shows more promise and will likely get more 3rd party support.
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You don't have much imagination!
I can think of tons of things that 1:1 body correlation could be used for...
Boxing/Fighting, taking penalties in FIFA, Dance stuff, and the list goes on.
But it also allows the same 'coarse' control of games that the Wii has been doing for ages, clearly fun games don't need precision, Wii Sports is testiment to that, but where the Wii fell down a bit was it is gestured based, so you could sit down and just waggle the controller to play golf/tennis/bowling, with Natal you will be able to use your body in a much more realistic way, it will be able to tell how straight your swing is for golf, or Bowling, and tennis would allow much more natural ways of doing backhand shots, lobs, volleys etc..
You are free to use whatever 'furniture' you wish in your hand (I assume) and I assume fitness training wise, full body movement detection is another big area that allows lots of exercise activities to be captured correctly without cheating.
It of course is also designed so you only pay for 'Natal' once, and it costs nothing for more people to play, no extra 'controllers' required, no batteries to charge/replace, nothing to break..
I see Move as being different to Natal, neither being totally amazingly awesome, but you have to say that as far as opening up 'new' doors, Natal seems to be the one that has more unexplored possibilities, and since the idea of these is to widen user bases, I'd put my money on Natal, not that I think Move is rubbish, just that it's rather constrained for two reasons
1. The Wii has been there and largely done it.
2. Motion control of more serious games will only succeed if it has an advantage over a normal controller, light guns (similar control to the shoot game shown for Move) have been around and not caught on because they are a far more casual way of controlling that type of game that people just don't gel with.. Great for Zelda, crap for COD..
But really all I'm saying other then they are both as good or bad as each other, is that Natal is not just a camera and therefore equivocal to the PS Eye, it has a depth sensor, and enough hardware to allow proper body tracking, with very low lag (if recent reports are to be believed)..
It seems that the Natal celeb party went down a storm, Jason Bradbury was duly impressed, and it also seems that Move got mixed reactions depending on the game type, some being excellent, some not so..
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It's impossible to do many things with Natal in it's current form without resorting to onscreen buttons and the like or automatic movement.
And so, what you'll be left with is essentially Natal only games and Wii Sports clones.
Move, allegedly, will take normal controlling standards, but add pointing and motion sensing which is essentially sixaxis.
To summarise, nothing has really progressed at all. They're all gimmicks.
And so, what you'll be left with is essentially Natal only games and Wii Sports clones.
Move, allegedly, will take normal controlling standards, but add pointing and motion sensing which is essentially sixaxis.
To summarise, nothing has really progressed at all. They're all gimmicks.
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Yep, as shown by Wii. Essentially just Wii Boxing though.
Well, yeah, but you're not going to switch to Natal just to take a penalty, are you?
Yup
Does it? All we've cleared up there is that it will essentially be Wii games, but with less controls.
We've had light guns for years, we've also had plenty of experience of playing FPS's on the Wii, and playing these with 'motion controllers' is not a 'big thing' to gamers, I think people just prefer to play FPS and more serious games as is, steering wheel or controller etc.. If lightguns where the adopted norm for FPS games, I'd put some credence to what you say, but the fact that despite them working well and being accurate with little lag yet haven't been widely adopted at all makes me think otherwise.
It's going to hinge on the 'unique' games for each that make the most of the control methods (IMO), and on that front, lets wait and see, but I see different things coming for Natal, from games to UI interaction.
Except it won't be gesture based, it'll be 1:1 correlation, a big 'step' up
Why not, you just stand up and take a small run/kick at the ball.. you don't need to get your motion controllers out etc to do it?
There are many examples, some less appealing to you then others, that doesn't mean they are all irrelevant.
More controls, show me any Wii game that tracks 4 inputs from your body? Of course motion games are largely motion games, but as said above, 1:1 body correlation is a whole different 'realistic' way of immerisive playing said shovelware.. Of course shovelware is shovelware, but we aren't saying that any of these is leading to something amazing are we?
Again, all I'm saying is that Natal is not inferior, nor massively better then Move, but to not see how it's different and how that could be applied is a little short sighted..
I'm struggling to see them, I wish I could, even with body recognition all I can think of are EyeToy/Wii type games, which suck.
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You mean the 1:1 correlation that the Wii now benefits from via the wiimote add-on? No, not a step up.
So a peripheral for a 3 second action with a lack of accuracy? Useful.
I didn't say it was. I was agreeing that it was suitable. But as are the old dance mats.
The Wii has motion sensing, plus a variety of buttons. Tell me how that could possibly be less than Natal?
And no, they aren't leading to anything 'amazing'.
Or just thinking into it....
Look, end of the day, the Press/Journo's etc have had hands on with Natal even in it's development state and none share your lack of 'thought into it'..
So although you are entitled to that opinion, and good on you for sticking to it, but I see no credible source of information that remotely backs it up..
Lets not argue over it, I see as much in Natal as I do in Move, just in a different way, I'm happy for both to exsit, the only opinion I offer is that I think Natal is different enough to possibly attract a new userbase to the console..
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lol
The same Press/Journos that hyped the Wii up as the best thing since sliced bread, and yet anyone that still has the Wii that I know uses it as a dust collector that is brought out when the family is around 3 times a year for Wii Sports, a glorified demo disc that came free.
Excuse me for not bowing to media opinion and coming up with my own thoughts.
And for the record, a source is not needed to prove that something is impractical, just common sense.
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The same Press/Journos that hyped the Wii up as the best thing since sliced bread, and yet anyone that still has the Wii that I know uses it as a dust collector that is brought out when the family is around 3 times a year for Wii Sports, a glorified demo disc that came free.
Excuse me for not bowing to media opinion and coming up with my own thoughts.
I'm confused, I think you mistake me for someone that thinks Natal/Move isn't just a way of getting Wii owners on to the respective consoles.. The fact the Wii continues to pee all over the other two consoles in terms of sales is the one reason they are introducing these things..
The Wii still sells more then the any other console, and up until recently it was more like PS3+360 sales = Wii sales, something MS and Sony want a slice of, simple as..
So the facts are, whether you want to hear it or not is that MS/Sony want to capture the Wii market, the very market you deem as a failure?
My and your opinion has nothing to do with it, it's about facts/figures and a market that neither of us are, so neither of us will 'get it'.. The difference being, I know that my disliking of the Wii isn't the 'norm' because sales figures tell me otherwise.
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Apart from the fact that my point wasn't about sales, but the practicality of using Natal for anything other than Wii Sports style titles.
Demon do you want to compare wii game sales to PS3 or X360
Yes loads bought into the novelty but how many games has the average wii owner?
Whats the 5 best selling games in the last 2-3 years? (i ask as dont know but will be amazed if many are wii titles)
It hardly set the world on fire with more great quality games and once the novelty wore off people got bored of it. Not enough varation and many of the games repeated what wii sports offered.
Id say PS3 is going to be the best selling console this year....
The line up of games, this new controller, the 3DTV adaption and the "only does everything" campaign with the new slim and great price.
Apart from sounding like a Sony rep i think this will really start to make it the best value console out thier with the best selection of games and also hardware that gives you games that are indeed only possible on the PS3.
I ridiculed the PS3 in the beginning with its lack of quality titles, high price, no dual shock etc but they "Sony" just now seem unstoppable.
This new hardware/controller will of course open the doors for the 6yr old+ market and family gaming and the 3D will suit the techies.
Yes loads bought into the novelty but how many games has the average wii owner?
Whats the 5 best selling games in the last 2-3 years? (i ask as dont know but will be amazed if many are wii titles)
It hardly set the world on fire with more great quality games and once the novelty wore off people got bored of it. Not enough varation and many of the games repeated what wii sports offered.
Id say PS3 is going to be the best selling console this year....
The line up of games, this new controller, the 3DTV adaption and the "only does everything" campaign with the new slim and great price.
Apart from sounding like a Sony rep i think this will really start to make it the best value console out thier with the best selection of games and also hardware that gives you games that are indeed only possible on the PS3.
I ridiculed the PS3 in the beginning with its lack of quality titles, high price, no dual shock etc but they "Sony" just now seem unstoppable.
This new hardware/controller will of course open the doors for the 6yr old+ market and family gaming and the 3D will suit the techies.
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Worldwide top ten software sales 27th February 2010
1 - Heavy Rain (PS3)
2 - Wii Sports (Wii)
3 - New Super Mario Bros. (Wii)
4 - Wii Fit Plus (Wii)
5 - Aliens Vs. Predator (360)
6 - Just Dance (Wii)
7 - Wii Sports Resort (Wii)
8 - Aliens Vs. Predator (PS3)
9 - Bioshock 2 (360)
10 - COD:MW2 (360)
Wii software sales seem to compare rather favourably, with 5 of the top 10 titles.
1 - Heavy Rain (PS3)
2 - Wii Sports (Wii)
3 - New Super Mario Bros. (Wii)
4 - Wii Fit Plus (Wii)
5 - Aliens Vs. Predator (360)
6 - Just Dance (Wii)
7 - Wii Sports Resort (Wii)
8 - Aliens Vs. Predator (PS3)
9 - Bioshock 2 (360)
10 - COD:MW2 (360)
Wii software sales seem to compare rather favourably, with 5 of the top 10 titles.
Wii games are always in the weekly top 10's.. sure the attach rate may be lower, but it's still a significant chunk of 'pie'...
Please be clear, I am not some Wii loving nancy boy, I have a wii, it only gets used by the missus/kids, I buy way less games for it then I do my other consoles, but that doesn't stop me seeing why Move/Natal have come about..
Is anyone saying 'Move' and 'Natal' are not a direct attempt to get in on the Wii action?
And PS3 being unstoppable? that sounds really fanboyish, it's doing damn well, as expected, but it's only doing as well as the 360..
Latest NPD from yesterday,
I don't get where the unstoppable really comes from, the PS3 has some awesome 1st party games, Move and 3D this year, but the 360 has some awesome 1st party games, which will no doubt sell as much as the PS3 ones, it has Natal, the only thing it doesn't have is 3D, which due to the fact 3D Tv's aren't really out in numbers, and people won't be widely adopting them for a year or two, I can only say that the PS3 and 360 are both unstoppable, why all the superlatives?
Wow, why didn't I think of that!!!
Now I can't wait to pay £50+ just so I can take a penalty in Fifa, dance, or punch fresh air
Sorry Demon I have read your follow on posts and can see although slightly binded by the MS PR you aren't totally convinced, but I had to take a dig at this statement
Wow, why didn't I think of that!!!
Now I can't wait to pay £50+ just so I can take a penalty in Fifa, dance, or punch fresh air
Sorry Demon I have read your follow on posts and can see although slightly binded by the MS PR you aren't totally convinced, but I had to take a dig at this statement
Yeah, I'm not convinced as much as the next man, and yeah, my 'examples' are quite lame, but we are talking of what we all consider a 'lame' market, i.e. Wii ware..
No offence taken
I am talking about all this in pure business terms, not marketing or what I prefer etc.. I'm not going to get Natal, or Move or whatever until they prove themselves.. I get the sense people think I am trying to infer that Natal is some hardcore game changer for us more dedicated gamers, I certainly don't think that, I'm just seeing it as it's been marketed, a Wii esque attempt. What worries me though is that people are quite defensive of 'move', despite it too being a pure Wii esque solution, almost as if they do believe it's got real potential for more hardcore gamers.. , I certainly don't agree with that..
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As for sales I was curious about the best selling games in the past 2-3 years not so much weekly/monthly sales. FM3 is an example look at its early sales but see how underpar its actually done in general. (hell i even bought 3 copies)
Not trying to inflame system wars and please you already know how i feel about this fanboy topic. Im trying to make an assumption based on factors not personal reasons.
Why I think PS3 has the chance to be the best selling system this year is because its the most improved in sales of the bunch (aparently) Titles like "Heavy Rain", "GOW 3" are quite unique. GT5 is a further sure winner that will likely sell more in Europe alone to what FM3 does worldwide. Sony just have that kind following and strong franchises. Is it providing gamers with more better games recently, particulary in "Exclusives"?
Now thats not to say X360 hasnt got great games with more coming neither but I see a market and more reason for a X360 owner to consider buying a PS3 than a PS3 owner also looking to get a X360. Fewer people these days stick to one console which I totally agree with.
Even for reasons like a Blu Ray player Sony have that advantage which also can attract sales from non gamer types who may still buy the odd game or indeed this "wii ware" you refer to.
I dont mind standing on the fence and saying I think Sonys chances are good this year, particulary now seeing "Move" and 2010 will bring Im sure many other surprises perhaps at E3.
Sony seem to be getting back to old form id say.
Not trying to inflame system wars and please you already know how i feel about this fanboy topic. Im trying to make an assumption based on factors not personal reasons.
Why I think PS3 has the chance to be the best selling system this year is because its the most improved in sales of the bunch (aparently) Titles like "Heavy Rain", "GOW 3" are quite unique. GT5 is a further sure winner that will likely sell more in Europe alone to what FM3 does worldwide. Sony just have that kind following and strong franchises. Is it providing gamers with more better games recently, particulary in "Exclusives"?
Now thats not to say X360 hasnt got great games with more coming neither but I see a market and more reason for a X360 owner to consider buying a PS3 than a PS3 owner also looking to get a X360. Fewer people these days stick to one console which I totally agree with.
Even for reasons like a Blu Ray player Sony have that advantage which also can attract sales from non gamer types who may still buy the odd game or indeed this "wii ware" you refer to.
I dont mind standing on the fence and saying I think Sonys chances are good this year, particulary now seeing "Move" and 2010 will bring Im sure many other surprises perhaps at E3.
Sony seem to be getting back to old form id say.
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