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I want to see our next king wage war on spain and France, building wave after wave of woodern ships and I want him to wear makeup and a wig...
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Another one.
Please point out in this thread anywhere I have said I want to steal possessions, money, and kick them out.
You won't be able to, because I haven't.
Are you actually arguing this countries sea beds are the sole property of the Royal Family and they are entitled to that? (as that was the only example I gave.)
It is an increadibly silly situation we are in.
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Another one.
Please point out in this thread anywhere I have said I want to steal possessions, money, and kick them out.
You won't be able to, because I haven't.
Are you actually arguing this countries sea beds are the sole property of the Royal Family and they are entitled to that? (as that was the only example I gave.)
It is an increadibly silly situation we are in.
I'm sorry, you're right. You're not quite sure what you want. Your sole argument is 'The Royal Family Is Evil', when ever your pressed with how this should be accomplished, or whether we take their land or what happens afterwards you seem to avoid the question.
So, apart from your blind hatred of the Royal Family and, frankly, being unnecessarily abrasive can you offer an opinion, solution or constructive criticism?
Sorry, but again, do you have any evidence of me saying the 'Royal Family Is Evil'?
Or a blind hatred for that matter?
After all, these are very heavy words you accuse me of.
A tongue in cheek quip about their families historical breading habits, and a few of their less apt follies is not blind hatred.
Yes, i can offer all of those. I've gave opinion, a solution and some contructive criticism.
I simply think that the country has moved passed limited notions of Monarchy, absolute rule and elitism.
You blast away with whatever you think, because I feel your only having a go at me.. not my point.
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I, to be frank, feel let down as well.
A decent crusade or something could whip things up a bit.
maybe after the war with France and Spain he could don some chainmail, grab a trusty sword and pick a crusade of his choicing. I would love watching that on Sky News way more than the Gulf War II in 2003.
Good thinking batman.
Biohazard - isnt this windsor lot german anyway? They ain't the same family off of 1500 or summit. or am I talking poo?
I personnaly think the RF are part of our culture and history. They don't cost us money as they bring in more tourism, they have no power so whats the issue?
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Sorry, but again, do you have any evidence of me saying the 'Royal Family Is Evil'?
Or a blind hatred for that matter?
After all, these are very heavy words you accuse me of.
A tongue in cheek quip about their families historical breading habits, and a few of their less apt follies is not blind hatred.
Yes, i can offer all of those. I've gave opinion, a solution and some contructive criticism.
I simply think that the country has moved passed limited notions of Monarchy, absolute rule and elitism.
You blast away with whatever you think, because I feel your only having a go at me.. not my point.
I was having a go at both to be honest. Your point, we are aware you want the family gone, but replaced with what? nothing, a president, what? You say we should take some of their assets but not others, which ones and who decides? Who takes over all their duties and engagements? What about the armed forces?
Would you agree it is fair to say that absolute rule is the best way to run a country with a good leader but the worst with a bad leader?
As for elitism, you're always going to have that, in America it is the Rockafellass and the Kennedys', only difference is we give ours titles.
We have a Prime Minister etc etc again I really do not see why any political arrangements would have to change.
We have elections, we have houses of representatives. This does most of the world, it would do us. We do not have to have a monarch for this country to function. (She does nothing for government anyway)
As I have said, the only function they have in the state is proclamation. Nothing else, if they go.. we just lose some pomp and ceremony from parliament.. the once in a blue moon occasion where she would be involved.
Duties and involvements, who cares. If its that important, Foreign Minister should do his job. After all, who do you call if you have a problem with Britian? The queen? Or foreign minister?
If there is no monarchy, there is no King and Queen for the army to fight for. They take instructions from the state, not the monarchy. Regardless of, again, Royal pomp surrounding the Armed Forces.
"Would you agree it is fair to say that absolute rule is the best way to run a country with a good leader but the worst with a bad leader?"
No, not in either situation would I agree with it. You never know what is to come. It is not a good system on its own, but alas we digress.
Spitting the Crown Estate, difficult and long drawn I would presume. Most of it is theirs by rights, however there are a few exceptions to the rules that need to be addressed.
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It is quite interesting if you have the time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Saxe-Coburg_and_Gotha
Yeah, pretty much. They also changed name after a palace to save face during the war.
To make it look like they were not sending hundreds of thousands of British men to their death at the hands of the same family name as their own royal household.
Just like the German Shepard / Alsatian, without the whole sending people to death name bit.
I think it would require a fairly hefty constitutional rewrite, intact I'm not even sure if it is possible. The house of lords would have to go as well. So, all of a sudden you've got the entire power of one of the most powerful nations on earth in one mans hands. No other country is like this, most have a president and prime minister or two houses of representatives.
Duties and involvements, so we shouldn't care about building bridges with other countries? Or having somewhere impressive to entertain guest with someone who has experience meeting world leaders and know what to do and what to say. After all, who do you want to meet if you're visiting Britain, the Queen or the foreign minister?
As for the army, I think you under estimate how much the army likes Royal pomp. In a more extreme situation, it could leader to political parties controlling the army for their own means.
Meh, it's been fun but I have to go out. I'll read your rebuttal later.
Duties and involvements, so we shouldn't care about building bridges with other countries? Or having somewhere impressive to entertain guest with someone who has experience meeting world leaders and know what to do and what to say. After all, who do you want to meet if you're visiting Britain, the Queen or the foreign minister?
As for the army, I think you under estimate how much the army likes Royal pomp. In a more extreme situation, it could leader to political parties controlling the army for their own means.
Meh, it's been fun but I have to go out. I'll read your rebuttal later.
A superb tradition cloaked in fascinating history: a wonderful and respected representative of the U.K in the World Arena; the head of the Commonwealth and, in turn, the closeness and ties forged by having a Commonwealth and it's a far better system than the Presidential alternative.
All that for a net profit to the U.K? Yes please
All that for a net profit to the U.K? Yes please
I don't think it would.
Again, just scribble it out.
What does it matter, they have no involvement in day to day politics, so the constitutional running of this country cannot rely soley on the Royal House Hold.They lose the title Crown, and Crown estates. The government inherrits these. Not sure, I am not a constitutional lawyer, you won't get many in here. But anything is possible.
What if the royal family didn't want the title, or have to put up with the inherrited job any longer? Imagine they divorced us!
The house of Lords wouldn't have to go.
We have two houses already. I'm sure they can throw membership down family blood lines as they do know.
Again, I think its all the pomp and ceremony and wording of things that make people think that the monarchy is somehow intrinsically linked with almost every aspect of government rule or legitimacy- they aren't.
That is exactly what I asked you!!! Who do you pick out of the duplicitous role of Queen and Foreign Minister. You go to the person appointed to the job, and paid to do the role.
You can think that if you like, I don't have too. And the army is one of three forces.
(I am leaving shortly too, but will return)
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You mean like Royal "It's A Knockout"? Imagine Stuart Hall commentating too...
I don't think it would.
Again, just scribble it out.
They lose the title Crown, and Crown estates. The government inherrits these. Not sure, I am not a constitutional lawyer, you won't get many in here. But anything is possible.
What if the royal family didn't want the title, or have to put up with the inherrited job any longer? Imagine they divorced us!
The house of Lords wouldn't have to go.
We have two houses already. I'm sure they can throw membership down family blood lines as they do know.
Again, I think its all the pomp and ceremony and wording of things that make people think that the monarchy is somehow intrinsically linked with almost every aspect of government rule or legitimacy- they aren't.
That is exactly what I asked you!!! Who do you pick out of the duplicitous role of Queen and Foreign Minister. You go to the person appointed to the job, and paid to do the role.
You can think that if you like, I don't have too. And the army is one of three forces.
(I am leaving shortly too, but will return)
Why do they lose the crown estates? They have been sacrificing the income for the good of the country for centuries, and now you propose to just steal their property from them?
No, I didn't mean their whole legitimate family estate. I have nothing against rich people!!
Just the 'titles' of the 'Crown' and 'Crown estate' - and with the latter I was leaning more to the civil service and the legal wieght the statements carry and such like. Not palaces and bank accounts.
apologies, should have cleared that up.
I mean, it would be really nice if in what ever circumstances they stopped being our monarch, that we the people or our representing government could assume non family/land hereditary estates from the Crown. Ie give the realm of the country back to the government, simply by passing the terms 'crown' etc ownership over.
Although, I ain't a lawyer by any stretch of the imagination. And it probably is NO WHERE NEAR that simple, but I was just thinking out loud.
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That makes more sense.
How are you going to close the £100m hole in the budget you've just opened up?