Poll: The Last Leaders Debate – Live tonight at 2030 BST on BBC One

Who will you vote for?

  • Labour

    Votes: 67 11.8%
  • Conservatives

    Votes: 231 40.7%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 227 40.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 42 7.4%

  • Total voters
    567
  • Poll closed .
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Not being biased, no way did he win the debate, we lied about four times (vs. his own manifesto).

I'm starting to think that a Hung Parliament might be the best to come of all this
The credit agencies have pretty much nixed (;)) this, we'll lose our AAA rating.
 
Not being biased, no way did he win the debate, we lied about four times (vs. his own manifesto).


The credit agencies have pretty much nixed (;)) this, we'll lose our AAA rating.

Catch-22. To get the best of a bad bunch, we need to have a minority government (in my opinion); it's the only way I see for all the good policies to surface. As for example, the Tories may conceed some delusion in exchange for one of the practical Liberal policies.

Of course, what's a good and bad policy is extremely subjective.

Does our AAA rating really count for anything when our debt is likely to hit ~78% in 5 years time?
 
Catch-22. To get the best of a bad bunch, we need to have a minority government (in my opinion); it's the only way I see for all the good policies to surface. Of course, what's a good and bad policy is extremely subjective.

Does our AAA rating really count for anything when our debt is likely to hit ~78% in 5 years time?
Personally, no major policies will be passed (see below links).

I'm not qualified to answer, but:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8427233.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8589990.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8643359.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8643676.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8645136.stm

...filled me in
 
That's only if a minority government is unable to make any deals to create a majority with the other parties; this'll obviously mean a little give and take. Else, it will be on a case-by-case basis, where hopefully (perhaps being naive here) we'll get a better representation for policy (providing that party whips aren't abused of course).

A bull-run however, is something we don't want. That wont help growth or unemployment in the slightest; two areas which are obviously directly affecting many of us.
 
I think a run on the markets is just Tory scaremongering personally - the only way that would happen is if any one of the parties tries to form a minority government rather than a coalition, and the only reason that a relatively market-friendly Tory-LibDem coalition wouldn't form, is if Cameron refuses to entertain the prospect of voting reform.
 
This was interesting http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentis...ron-clegg-conservatives-coalition-differences

I suppose this affair comes down to the simple truth that we're in a mess. The economy is in shambles. Now, what to do what to do?

If your business was in financial trouble, would you:

(A) Go with the party that (at least contributed heavily) got us here (Labour)
(B) Go with someone with no record whatsoever of doing the job (Lib Dems)
(C) Go with the party that has a good record of fixing [Labour] problems (Tories).

It's about minimising risk.
 
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Clegg - looked out of his depth.

Brown - Game Over.

Cameron - was a lot better tonight but still very much in the "Best of a bad lot" view that I held last week.

I hope tonight burst Cleggs bubble so the country can concentrate on the serious choice that we have, Labour or Tory.
 
Did you drive through Sheffield today?

I'm one of over 1800 Stobart trucks on the roads,the chances of you spotting me are slim I'd guess..... :o as a matter of fact I was in & around manchester tonight - I work nights.

I need an OC/UK badge to stick to my trailer for forum Stobart spotters it seems! :D
 
So was i the only one irritated by St.Clegg?

He was shallow and populist, trying to look like the white shining knight. He constant "let’s have a all party love in" was naive and infantile and said nothing of substance. In fact he was coming across as quite smarmy

Anyway, lets see if he has the balls to meet real people today or is he going to yet another uni for another safe student love in
 
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So was i the only one irritated by St.Clegg?

He was shallow and populist, trying to look like the white shining knight. He constant "let’s have a all party love in" was naive and infantile and said nothing of substance.

No, it's you and several other people (many of whom have posted in this thread), I'm surprised you managed to miss it as they've repeated it frequently.
 
Very good and well thought out post. Quoting it for anyone that hasn't read it yet:
Oh Cleggy...


Trying to hide his euro policy
· Nick Clegg tries to hide his euro policy. In the debate, Nick Clegg said: ‘No I’m not advocating entry into the euro.’
· But last year, he thought the euro was an ‘anchor’. Last year, Nick Clegg told the Financial Times that the euro would ‘anchor’ countries against the ‘vulnerable exposure to international financial markets.’ (The Financial Times, 21 January 2010)
· And his manifesto advocates joining the euro. ‘We believe that it is in Britain’s long-term interest to be part of the euro.’ (Liberal Democrat Manifesto 2010, page 67)


Trying to hide his policy for an amnesty for 600,000 illegal immigrants
· Nick Clegg tries to hide his amnesty policy. ‘I'm not advocating an amnesty…’
· But Nick Clegg has previously called his policy a ‘selective amnesty’. ‘And most controversially in our proposals…also establishing a selective amnesty, if you like, a route to earned legalisation for the up to 600,000 people who have being living in this country invisibly, illegally, often exploited by unscrupulous employers and others.’ (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/video/2007/sep/18/nick.clegg, approximately one minute into video)
· And his manifesto promises illegal immigrants an amnesty. ‘We will allow people who have been in Britain without the correct papers for ten years… live here long-term to earn their citizenship.’ (Liberal Democrat Manifesto 2010, page 76)


Trying to hide the facts about immigration from outside the EU
· Nick Clegg tries to hide facts about non-EU immigration to the UK. ‘You say numbers, can you now tell me, am I right or wrong that 80 per cent of people who come here come from the European Union…?’
· But official statistics show Nick Clegg is completely wrong. In 2008, net foreign migration was 251,000 of which 63,000 or 25 per cent was from the EU. Over the past five years the average has been 31 per cent (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/statbase/Product.asp?vlnk=15053 Table 2.01a)


Trying to hide his benefits policy
· Nick Clegg tries to hide his real benefits policy. ‘We all agree benefits should be conditioned. We all agree they shouldn't be dished out for free if people refuse to take up work.’
· But his DWP spokesman says benefits should not be conditional. Asked about the Lib Dem benefits policy today, Lib Dem Work and Pensions Spokesman Steve Webb said: ‘[Questioner] “Just a very quick yes, no question. If somebody, long term unemployed, or, or even more recently, turns down the first job offer, will you do what the other two are doing which is remove their benefits after two weeks or after a month?” [Steve Webb]: “No we won’t because what we need to do is look at the demand for work, and there’s not really enough of that...”’ (Daily Politics, BBC 2, 29 April 2010)


Trying to hide his VAT bombshell on houses
· Nick Clegg tries to hide VAT bombshell on housing. ‘…the second thing we need to do is invest in the kind of things we need…Affordable housing...’
· But his manifesto promises to levy VAT on new homes. Liberal Democrats would make it more difficult for first-time buyers to get onto the housing ladder. They want to levy VAT on new homes, which currently is zero-rated: ‘We will equalise VAT on new build and repair.’ (Liberal Democrat Manifesto 2010, page 81)

So was I the only one irritated by St.Clegg?

He was shallow and populist, trying to look like the white shining knight. He constant "let’s have a all party love in" was naive and infantile and said nothing of substance. In fact he was coming across as quite smarmy

Anyway, lets see if he has the balls to meet real people today or is he going to yet another uni for another safe student love in
Nope! :cool: Did you even read the thread? :p
 
I really hate the way these debates have turned this election into nothing but cheap point scoring sessions. I also wish the lib dems policies had received more scrutiny than they had, it would be great watching their manifesto crumble under the numerous holes in it. God i hate the uneducated facebook masses, i was explaining this to my girlfriend who apparantly is part of this mass. As soon as i started going through the policies she goes "oh maybe lib dems aren't so good then". This is why people should read manifestos and not just rely on these stupid debates! AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGHHH!
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So a few days from a vote and we still don't actually know how they are going to hit us to cut the deficit.

Awesome, so I'm supposed to vote not knowing how any of them are actually going to hit us while they tackle the issue.

The two biggest issues for me are that and then immigration and none of them want to talk about either with any credible stats or facts with what they will do incase they lose any voters.

A complete waste of time.

Cameron will get in as maybe the best of a bad bunch of spineless ****s.

I'd have more respect for one of them if they actually told us how bad it was going to get.
 
If I had a few days I'd make a list of David Cameron's contradictions and about turns...

*whoosh* (that was me waving my hand above my head as you miss the point).

Clegg is all about the holy than thou message, new politics, out with the old in the with the new... etc... Ad nauseam.

What that post pushed into the light - that the libdems and their fanbois don't like - is the fact that he is just the same as the other two guys, but with more lunatic policies.
 
Nick was hollow and awful last night, David was beyond pathetic (as I believe their respective parties) and Gordon easily put forward the best argument(s).

I'm pretty much decided, I'll be voting for the Labour party on Thursday.
 
Haven't read the thread yet, just my impressions from the debate:

Clegg didn't do as well as in the last two debates. He was repetative in all three debates but this time it stood out more and he failed to make the big impact he needed to run the Lib Dems home. Still he didn't make any big mistakes, and came out with some of the best lines of the night. Their policy on bank bonuses is just silly and completely fails to address the real problem. Best summing up speech of the three

Brown was as weak as ever, although landed some pretty effective attacks on Cameron, especially over their absurd inheritance tax plan. His summing up was terrible - he needed to set out a positive reason for Labour not peddle fear.

Cameron frequently looked riled, and failed completely under Clegg and Brown's repeated attacks on the inheritance tax cut but otherwise answered most of the questions well and did the best job of coming across as the Prime Minister to be. Summing up was okay, but shouldn't have called multiple things "most important", that was a little incoherant.

Overall, I thought it was pretty close between Cameron and Clegg, with Brown trailing a long way behind. Given my biases that probably means Cameron did best out of the three.
 
It transpires there was an unwelcome distraction for Labour's top brass at their poster launch. While the prime minister was speaking, there was a loud bang which turned out to be a car crash - with a vehicle smashing into a bus stop. Will tomorrow's sketch writers have some fun with that?

:D
 
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