*** The Official HTC Desire (Bravo) Thread! ***
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That looks more like a software problem to me, but I'm probably wrong.
Would get it replaced anyway while you can.
Would get it replaced anyway while you can.
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Last time i had pioctures like that it was the mem card. However if it is showing this on the 'live-view' i would say software.
Its worth restoring it first just to make sure, before swapping it (better the devil you know and all that......
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Its worth restoring it first just to make sure, before swapping it (better the devil you know and all that......
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[TW]Fox;16484492 said:
I haven't read the full 60page thread on modaco but from what I understand, the answer to your question is no (at least for paul's root method, someone else may come up wih a different pne that keeps sense. or even releases a custom rom that has sense). there have been a number of people on there asking the same question.
I'm tempted to root but think I'll wait awhile to see how it develops(and most of the bugs to be ironed out or at least improved), seems it might not be as much of a faff now that they have a windows only method plus from what I understand no need for goldcard if you have an unbranded desire(which I happen to have). still need to download a few files but not as long winded anymore.
edit: my mistake it does keep sense, it's only if you flash the custom rom that you loose sense.
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Fox, forget root, fowler002 read the thread properly before even thinking about rooting
(I don't mean that to sound harsh to either of you, its just some friendly advice, it took me months to root my Nexus, I watched about 20 videos of the process on YouTube and read 10 or so guides, and a 6 year old could root a Nexus, the Desire is in a different league of complexity 
)"Root access" opens the phone up so ROM images do not need do not need to be "signed" by the manufacturer and so that you are given "superuser" permissions and generally gives access to parts of the OS not suitable for Joe Public - WiFi tether, control over the camera flash (To turn it into a torch) and the like.
Paul's method is a bit odd, I still really object to it, here's why:
Rooting shouldn't change the ROM on the device, and as a result it shouldn't affect Sense, it is, essentially like swapping a Windows account from "standard user" to "administrator" for want of a better analogy. His method is more akin to creating a new user with administrator rights then deleting the original account and using the new one instead. It does the job, but its not exactly slick or simple. (Then again the first method may never be available on the Desire, it all relies on someone finding a simpler exploit in the code of the bootloader)
Paul's method roots the phone then flashes a new ROM onto the device and is explained as if its one step, and you must complete all of said step in order to root, and fowler002 this is where you might have gotten your wires crossed, depending on which ROM you've chosen to flash will depend on if you have Sense or not. There seem to be two basic ROM's out there atm. First is the Desire ROM with added shinny bits like WiFi tether and Apps2SD. The second is a direct port of Cyanogen's Nexus One ROM, which never had Sense, but is a much more serious restructuring of the underlying OS, giving huge performance gains, as well as adding the WiFi tether and Apps2SD
After you gain root access you will then be able to flash whatever ROM you want, including stock HTC ROM's, Vodafone ROM's (For warranty purposes, see below) and custom ROM's that streamline the OS as per Cyanogen et al. Some of these ROM's will contain Sense, some won't, that should be fairly clear before you flash them.
Sense isn't open source, so when 2.2 comes, the first unoffical 2.2 updates will only use stock Android. Its also quite resource heavy, so you'll find the fastest ROM's with the best claimed battery lives will generally do without it. (When I was running the Desire ROM on my Nexus I had >60MB less RAM than when I was running Cyanogen's ROM's)
Rooting WILL invalidate your warranty, and its not hard for HTC to tell - flashing back to the shipping ROM WILL NOT undo the rooting process, although if you're lucky the kid in the store won't know what's going on and you might get away with it
. Loosing 12months warranty for the sake of Apps2SD and Wireless Tethering seems a little silly to me Do plenty of research (XDA is the best place to start) and make up you own minds. If Vodafone ever call me back and I ever get hold of a Desire, I won't be rooting it (Because I'll be selling it on the MM or ebay) but even if I wasn't selling it and was keeping it, I would almost certainly be waiting a couple of months before rooting - I fail to see the advantage yet.
Those looking to free up space for apps have a look in the mange apps menu and see what's taking up all the space. Google Earth and Sat Navs are the usual culprits
I feel like Steve Jobs after that essay
Hopefully its made some things clearer to some of you - There will be on person asking but 10 wondering no doubt If it hasn't then tough
Try XDA if you want a more in depth explanationOn that note: There is an interesting technical article on what causes the pink tints on XDA too, here
**EDIT** As pointed out below, there is a way to unroot here however this is different to simply flashing a new ROM
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I don't really understand why things like wireless tethering and control of the camera flash are considered things that are not suitable for Joe Public.
I was wireless tethering 10 years ago with a Nokia 6130 and a Psion 5mx. I'm really looking forward to my new Desire but not the major step back in functionality that having this feature taken away from me is going to provide.
I was wireless tethering 10 years ago with a Nokia 6130 and a Psion 5mx. I'm really looking forward to my new Desire but not the major step back in functionality that having this feature taken away from me is going to provide.
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[TW]Fox;16485997 said:
Data usage over tether is much higher. We know this. Not sure most people would realise this - especially seeing as the web pages look the same on the phone as the do on the PC. There would be uproar from the Mirror and the Sun when people get huge bills for going over their data allowances by tethering, just like there was when the guy was charged thousands of pounds for streaming Top Gear over 3G while in France.
The LED isn't designed for use as torch, it gets INCREDIBLY warm if you leave it on for 5 minutes, for a short capacitor aided flash this doesn't matter, but for long periods it will start to cause issues.
You'll want a USB cable with you anyway - First few days battery life will be awful (Characteristics of a Li-ion battery)
But tether isn't disabled - you can do it, by going to through the faff of connecting a cable. I don't think its as simple as its disabled to save people from themselves. It's not something you accidently do, its a feature only the more technically minded of customers would do anyway.
My N97, for example, quite happily lets me wirelessly tether. It's not new functionality and disabling it doesn't stop tethering, its simply a more convenient way of doing it.
I'd put money on it being a feature the new Nokia N8 will include simply as a matter of course. I considered it such basic functionality I hadn't really thought about it not being present on Android devices.
When I first started doing it data charges then made todays data charges look like a massive bargain!
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Fox, forget root, fowler002 read the thread properly before even thinking about rooting
"Root access" opens the phone up so ROM images do not need do not need to be "signed" by the manufacturer and so that you are given "superuser" permissions and generally gives access to parts of the OS not suitable for Joe Public - WiFi tether, control over the camera flash (To turn it into a torch) and the like.
Paul's method is a bit odd, I still really object to it, here's why:
Rooting shouldn't change the ROM on the device, and as a result it shouldn't affect Sense, it is, essentially like swapping a Windows account from "standard user" to "administrator" for want of a better analogy. His method is more akin to creating a new user with administrator rights then deleting the original account and using the new one instead. It does the job, but its not exactly slick or simple. (Then again the first method may never be available on the Desire, it all relies on someone finding a simpler exploit in the code of the bootloader)
Paul's method roots the phone then flashes a new ROM onto the device and is explained as if its one step, and you must complete all of said step in order to root, and fowler002 this is where you might have gotten your wires crossed, depending on which ROM you've chosen to flash will depend on if you have Sense or not. There seem to be two basic ROM's out there atm. First is the Desire ROM with added shinny bits like WiFi tether and Apps2SD. The second is a direct port of Cyanogen's Nexus One ROM, which never had Sense, but is a much more serious restructuring of the underlying OS, giving huge performance gains, as well as adding the WiFi tether and Apps2SD
After you gain root access you will then be able to flash whatever ROM you want, including stock HTC ROM's, Vodafone ROM's (For warranty purposes, see below) and custom ROM's that streamline the OS as per Cyanogen et al. Some of these ROM's will contain Sense, some won't, that should be fairly clear before you flash them.
Sense isn't open source, so when 2.2 comes, the first unoffical 2.2 updates will only use stock Android. Its also quite resource heavy, so you'll find the fastest ROM's with the best claimed battery lives will generally do without it. (When I was running the Desire ROM on my Nexus I had >60MB less RAM than when I was running Cyanogen's ROM's)
Rooting WILL invalidate your warranty, and its not hard for HTC to tell - flashing back to the shipping ROM WILL NOT undo the rooting process, although if you're lucky the kid in the store won't know what's going on and you might get away with it
Do plenty of research (XDA is the best place to start) and make up you own minds. If Vodafone ever call me back and I ever get hold of a Desire, I won't be rooting it (Because I'll be selling it on the MM or ebay) but even if I wasn't selling it and was keeping it, I would almost certainly be waiting a couple of months before rooting - I fail to see the advantage yet.
Those looking to free up space for apps have a look in the mange apps menu and see what's taking up all the space. Google Earth and Sat Navs are the usual culprits
I feel like Steve Jobs after that essay
If it hasn't then tough
On that note: There is an interesting technical article on what causes the pink tints on XDA too, here
Not quite, the two different ROMs are as follows:
- 1.15.405.4 - The exact same ROM that comes on unbranded handsets. No extra stuff included, not even AP2SD, Wi-Fi tether or anyting.
- The above but with AP2SD (actually removed from the official guide, so technically only one ROM exists and that's the one above).
The Cryogen mod isn't anywhere near the guide to root, it's just another ROM that's out there and can be flashed to the device after root.
There's also a RUU out there that will unroot the device, flashing 1.15.405.4 again (I've unrooted my device as I'm getting an exchange tomorrow).
Personally, I found the guide extremely easy to follow and I've never rooted a phone before or used Linux.
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Fair enough, I missed the unrooting, my bad, will edit my post
The Cyanogen mod is somewhere on Modaco, that's why I included it
I must admit to not having one to play with, so I can't verify everything personally as I'd like to
I was just going off what I read on that post and others about rooting and having rooted other Android phones beforeWhat's wrong with your phone? Pinking? Did you see the XDA explanation. Interesting read
griffo thanks for the vote of confidence(not)
I've been reading several threads on modaco all related to the desire rooting so kind of got the rooting and the cm rom flash mixed up(bad memry so couldn't remember if it was the rooting or the custom rom that got rid of the sense), not sure if you missed my edit but didn't have it in when you quoted me.
as I've said several times already, think I'll wait it out for now. plus I'm not wanting to risk ending up with a £400 brick, do you think if I was to claim on the barclays mobile phone insurance if I happened to brick it that they'd notice?
Mekrel once you get your new one(and plan on rooting it), try the windows only method to see if it works fine(and how it comapares to the linux rout). did you get app2sd working? I read people were having trouble getting it to work(in some cass bricking their desire).
I've been reading several threads on modaco all related to the desire rooting so kind of got the rooting and the cm rom flash mixed up(bad memry so couldn't remember if it was the rooting or the custom rom that got rid of the sense), not sure if you missed my edit but didn't have it in when you quoted me.
as I've said several times already, think I'll wait it out for now. plus I'm not wanting to risk ending up with a £400 brick, do you think if I was to claim on the barclays mobile phone insurance if I happened to brick it that they'd notice?
Mekrel once you get your new one(and plan on rooting it), try the windows only method to see if it works fine(and how it comapares to the linux rout). did you get app2sd working? I read people were having trouble getting it to work(in some cass bricking their desire).
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griffo thanks for the vote of confidence(not)
I've been reading several threads on modaco all related to the desire rooting so kind of got the rooting and the cm rom flash mixed up(bad memry so couldn't remember if it was the rooting or the custom rom that got rid of the sense), not sure if you missed my edit but didn't have it in when you quoted me.
as I've said several times already, think I'll wait it out for now. plus I'm not wanting to risk ending up with a £400 brick, do you think if I was to claim on the barclays mobile phone insurance if I happened to brick it that they'd notice?
Yeah sorry that sounded so condescending, I meant it as friendly advice but came out badly
No I'd didn't notice the edit, I spent about 20minutes messing with that post before posting trying to make sure it was correct, and in the end it wasn't
I wouldn't be rooting now that's for sure, the risk, the complexity and the £400 paper-weight thing put me off for now
Question, desire is due at any moment, from DPD, and i was reading the whole internet, as you do when you wake up, and it recommends i charge the desire for at least 3 hours b4 using it. Is this wise, i dont think i could possibly wait that long (advise is it needs a bit of charge, cause even on charge from new, im going to zap the battery faster than it can hold new charge, when fiddling setting it up, and generally drooling all over it !)