Poll: *** 2010 General Election Result & Discussion ***

[Luseac]

It's kewl innit.

And that's precisely why we shouldn't let 16 year olds have the vote. All this X factor politics with the Facebook Democrats appealing to the yoof by promising the world would be x 100

 

[Dolph]

Anyone fancy a Mandelson-led Labour-Lib Dem coalition

It'd be like when Palpatine dissolved the Senate

Well, Labour did already pass the Jar-Jar bill to allow them to do it

 

[aslco]

also the % of people who voted conservatives on this forum was only about 4% more than the country, so not quite as biased as we first thought!

 

[[TW]Fox]

well for a start my whole 'working class' family was completely shafted by them...

Really, or did they just work in unsustainable industry?

 

[Robbo]

Anyone fancy a Mandelson-led Labour-Lib Dem coalition

It'd be like when Palpatine dissolved the Senate

Good lord no

 

[RDM]

PR is the answer to that. The will of the people MUST be reflected in the political make up of Parliment. As others have posted, PR works in other countries around the World without issue, there's no reason it couldn't work here.

So how would a Lib Dem pact with Labour reflect the will of the people that voted for the Lib Dems but hated Labour? How would a Lib Dem pact with the Conservatives reflect the will of the people that voted for the Lib Dems but hated the Conservatives?

 

[Luseac]

also the % of people who voted conservatives on this forum was only about 4% more than the country, so not quite as biased as we first thought!

Unfortunately the "Abstain" vote option in this poll skews results somewhat.

 

[PermaBanned]

But all three parties are offering a reform of the electoral system, so what is there to protest about?

The protest is about getting a parliament that is fair and accurately represents the voting public. These parties promise reform but it will inevitably end up being a way to get/keep them in power for longer. They don't care about you, they just care about their own sorry arses. And yes, that's all three major parties and more.

 

[RDM]

when do we actually find out who is the new PM guys?

When the back room deals are done.

 

[aslco]

Unfortunately the "Abstain" vote option in this poll skews results somewhat.

yeah very true. As a lib dem supporter i am dissapointed in all honesty, but then again with a PR system they wouldnt be too many seats behind conservatives and expecially labour at all

 

[JohnnyG]

Really, or did they just work in unsustainable industry?

I wonder if Nu Labour will be remembered with the same fondness by the steel industry workers.

 

[RDM]

The protest is about getting a parliament that is fair and accurately represents the voting public. These parties promise reform but it will inevitably end up being a way to get/keep them in power for longer. They don't care about you, they just care about their own sorry arses. And yes, that's all three major parties and more.

So what exactly are these people protesting about and what exactly do they want to replace our system with? Nothing irritates me more than people going "I don't like it!" without having any idea at all of what to replace it with.

So you want me to come along and demonstrate against our current electoral system without having any idea of what we want to replace it with? No, that is a stupid idea.

 

[Nix]

I still have a strong memory of being in primary school, on a school-trip, and seeing my teacher at the time being really happy when Labour first got into power.

 

[drunkenmaster]

On the other hand, you could say Cameron has backed himself into a corner by persistently pinning his (and the Tory party) colours to the FPP system and a Tory outright majority, although the latter is understandable.

I think Clegg has played it correctly, as earlier I would publicly state electoral reform as an absolute pre-condition, that way if the Tories reject it, they can simply point to that as the reason they had to look elsewhere and it very much puts the Tories in the public eye as the reason why they could not form a government.

Lib Dem don't want first past post largely as they would have gotten more seats in places that People would vote Labour first ,and Lib dem as second choice, or Tory first and Lib Dem as second choice, but not really because its fairer.

However the FPP system could be HUGELY fairer than it is, massively and I think Lib Dem would be all for making the FPP system fairer if its a choice between that, and nothing.

As for Facebook people and irrational hatred of Torys, this is why I'm angry at Cameron, the other two bang on and on and on and on about "future fair for all" and reducing tax on the poor and taxing the rich.

Cameron I think has been advised to simply not mention why he doesn't want to tax the rich, when he should have been out there calling the other two parties moronic. Long term heavy taxation of the rich, which effects companies and business's with more than a few staff aswell, kills business.

He should have been out there explaining that its better to reduce the tax burden of a company from say 10 to 9 million, which gives them an extra 1million to keep jobs, stay in profit and not decide to move the factory to China/Asia, than to increase tax to 11million, causing the company to fail, jobs to be lost or them to just move to another country, meaning that instead of getting 11million, they get nothing and SOME OTHER country gets the 9 million.

Its better to get 9 million, than the company leave and get nothing.

Taxation on the rich is the single biggest reason we've lost millions of jobs and had to create millions of useless jobs in the public sector, which POOR PEOPLE are taxed more to pay for.

But Cameron stayed VERY quiet on the subject, I assume because people just don't seem to grasp the concept that higher taxes on a population of people who can choose to move anywhere in the world, just ends up increasing tax on the poor long term and getting rid of jobs.

People hate the Tories because they associate them with giving toff's a break and taxing the poor. However lower taxes for the rich means lower taxes for the poor.

Even if the "official" income tax is lower, its the stealth taxes, speeding tickets, fuel tax, booze tax, fags tax and every other tax that has increased dramatically over the years as we lose industrial/private sector jobs.

EDIT:_ I also think Clegg will believe Tories are a better choice than Brown, so I can't possibly see Clegg siding with Labour as Brown would simply ruin the country further for 4 years, Lib Dem would be painted as the same bad party and they'd have an even worse election.

For me a Brown/Clegg coalition will just lead to a ridiculous Tory majority in the next election and Lib Dem's losing heavily as people think of Lib Dem's as basically new new labour.

THe worst thing for the country is Brown in any kind of power, now, a Milliband/Clegg coalition, thats got a bigger chance than Brown/Clegg IMHO.

 

[badcompany]

Who starts all this facebook crap? Considering most people that use Facebook were 8 when the tories were last in power (me included) what do they have against them? Other than the usual Teacher/lecturer hatred of the tories which is instilled into them, a youtube video which says cameron's a snob and possibly closed minded family members stating "Thatcher was mean".

exactly sheeple who have no experience of tory rule, or the fact that they saved this country after the winter discontent.

we need saving again

 

[The Mad Rapper]

So how would a Lib Dem pact with Labour reflect the will of the people that voted for the Lib Dems but hated Labour? How would a Lib Dem pact with the Conservatives reflect the will of the people that voted for the Lib Dems but hated the Conservatives?

You can't apply my argument for PR to the current situation, because we haven't got PR that's why this horse trading is going on.

Specifically looking at this election, ignoring PR because it doesn't apply, then whichever coalition is formed is clearly going to annoy some element of society.

 

[aslco]

also surley a brown, darling and vince cable coallition is EXACTLY what we need in this economic climate. not torys who have a record of laissez-faire

 

[G1BB0]

Really, or did they just work in unsustainable industry?

if you want to put it like that then so did the majority of Industrial Britain.... the fact the tories privatised, rendered the unions almost powerless, caused a recession single handedly (unlike labour which was majorly down to global economies going **** up)

oh and wait, these unsustainable industries that provided goods and products that we still buy but now get via india etc (steel for example)...

 

[badcompany]

I wonder if Nu Labour will be remembered with the same fondness by the steel industry workers.

Or cadburys workers

 

[rypt]

It's not really about Clegg, it's (I hope, assuming Clegg sticks to his guns) whether Cameron and the Tory party are willing to accept electoral reform, if they can't, then they only have themselves to blame if the LD's decide to go elsewhere

Tories manage to do well despite having the system against them