It isnt, the scottish have a disproportionate amount of power over england in the current set up.
I for one would be quite happy to cut off the scots and let them do their own thing.
The welsh and the northern Irish as well.
Poll: *** 2010 General Election Result & Discussion ***
- Thread starter Cosimo
- Start date
It isnt, the scottish have a disproportionate amount of power over england in the current set up.
I for one would be quite happy to cut off the scots and let them do their own thing.
The welsh and the northern Irish as well.
- Joined
- 30 Jul 2006
- Posts
- 12,130
I believe that at one stage, even independent of any possible coalition, the Liberal Democrats advocated a grouping of the respective parties' Chancellors along with experts from the Bank of England, the Treasury and others identifying the "best" way of sorting out the economy and getting on with it.
Damned idealists; how dare they advocate cooperation rather than constant ideological conflict
I believe that at one stage, even independent of any possible coalition, the Liberal Democrats advocated a grouping of the respective parties' Chancellors along with experts from the Bank of England, the Treasury and others identifying the "best" way of sorting out the economy and getting on with it.
Damned idealists; how dare they advocate cooperation rather than constant ideological conflict
What on earth has that got to do with what I posted? Are you inventing things to argue against again?
- Joined
- 30 Jul 2006
- Posts
- 12,130
The Liberal Democrats advocated
COOPERATION
It would be a nice idea, wouldn't it, since as you suggest, the parties basically agree on what needs to be done but wont admit it or work together
The Liberal Democrats advocated
COOPERATION
It would be a nice idea, wouldn't it, since as you suggest, the parties basically agree on what needs to be done but wont admit it or work together
Again, what exactly had that to do with my post?
http://www.ifs.org.uk/bns/bn99.pdf
"Labour has already put a £17 billion tax increase into the pipeline for the coming Parliament and we estimate that its goals would require it to announce further tax increases worth around £7 billion. The Conservatives have announced a £6 billion net tax cut on top of what is in the pipeline, but their goals would probably require them to reverse half of it. The Liberal Democrats have announced a £3 billion tax increase on top of what is in the pipeline and would not need to do anything further. On the basis of their own plans and what they would inherit, the rise in the tax burden by 2016–17 would be largest under Labour and lowest under the Conservatives, with the Liberal Democrats in the middle (as shown in Figure 4.2)."
Assuming the conservatives and labour change discretionary spending to reflect what is needed, (only Lib Dems had announced enough to stabilse debt at ~75% overall debt).
"The Conservatives’ greater ambition would make a relatively modest difference to the long-term outlook for government borrowing and debt. The Conservative plans imply total borrowing of £604 billion over the next seven years, compared with £643 billion under Labour or the Liberal Democrats. Assuming no further change in borrowing beyond 2017–18, we project that the Conservative plans would return government debt below 40% of national income in 2031–32, the same year as it would under Labour or the Liberal Democrats."
That is what markets were supposedly so worried about, and what some people put such an emphasis in.
"Labour has already put a £17 billion tax increase into the pipeline for the coming Parliament and we estimate that its goals would require it to announce further tax increases worth around £7 billion. The Conservatives have announced a £6 billion net tax cut on top of what is in the pipeline, but their goals would probably require them to reverse half of it. The Liberal Democrats have announced a £3 billion tax increase on top of what is in the pipeline and would not need to do anything further. On the basis of their own plans and what they would inherit, the rise in the tax burden by 2016–17 would be largest under Labour and lowest under the Conservatives, with the Liberal Democrats in the middle (as shown in Figure 4.2)."
Assuming the conservatives and labour change discretionary spending to reflect what is needed, (only Lib Dems had announced enough to stabilse debt at ~75% overall debt).
"The Conservatives’ greater ambition would make a relatively modest difference to the long-term outlook for government borrowing and debt. The Conservative plans imply total borrowing of £604 billion over the next seven years, compared with £643 billion under Labour or the Liberal Democrats. Assuming no further change in borrowing beyond 2017–18, we project that the Conservative plans would return government debt below 40% of national income in 2031–32, the same year as it would under Labour or the Liberal Democrats."
That is what markets were supposedly so worried about, and what some people put such an emphasis in.
This just on the news:
Gordon Brown blasted Nick Clegg on the phone, Lib Dems now feel it's "impossible" to work with GB, and will try their hardest to do a deal with Cameron instead.
GB, "bigot man", doesn't seem to make friends easily, does he.
Gordon Brown blasted Nick Clegg on the phone, Lib Dems now feel it's "impossible" to work with GB, and will try their hardest to do a deal with Cameron instead.
GB, "bigot man", doesn't seem to make friends easily, does he.
Cuts for us are inevitable. We're being told to be prepared to see a lot of our kit being prolonged until 2025. No replacements for our capabilities etc
Gordo is an idiot.
+1, great opportunity for him opening negotiations with the lib dems and he totally screws it up before he's even started.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/liveevent/
Absolutely utterly brilliant
The labour party again shows it's authoritarian, bullying culture, but this time we don't have to put up with it
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/liveevent/
Absolutely utterly brilliant
The labour party again shows it's authoritarian, bullying culture, but this time we don't have to put up with it
Oh please let this be true! I really want to see a Tory-Lib/Dem coalition.
I hope it's truehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/liveevent/
Absolutely utterly brilliant
The labour party again shows it's authoritarian, bullying culture, but this time we don't have to put up with it
Oh please let this be true! I really want to see a Tory-Lib/Dem coalition.
I do as well, if both parties can tame the others more insane policies, it could be a very good government.
Just realised this while posting in another thread.
In this election, Labour have done worse than the Tories did in their wipeout in 1997. In 1997, the Tories obtained 30.7% of the vote, Labour this year have obtained 29.0% of the vote.
It just shows just how unequally the FPTP currently allocates seats, and how actually terrible this result was for Labour.
In this election, Labour have done worse than the Tories did in their wipeout in 1997. In 1997, the Tories obtained 30.7% of the vote, Labour this year have obtained 29.0% of the vote.
It just shows just how unequally the FPTP currently allocates seats, and how actually terrible this result was for Labour.
I think it is more likely anti Labour Lib Dems spreading a bit of mischief to scupper any possible deal should the Conservative deal fall through.
It is interesting to see how the conservatives did in London and Scotland.
Well they only won one seat in Scotland and their performance in London was poor:
Labour 38 seats (36.6%)
Conservatives 28 seats (34.5%)
Liberal Democrats 7 seats (22.1%)
Perhaps Labour should change their Leader to David Miliband and prepare for a possible election in a year.
Well they only won one seat in Scotland and their performance in London was poor:
Labour 38 seats (36.6%)
Conservatives 28 seats (34.5%)
Liberal Democrats 7 seats (22.1%)
Perhaps Labour should change their Leader to David Miliband and prepare for a possible election in a year.
Last edited: