yes but you do get confused very easily don't you
I actually think the only way forward is english devolution and a smaller central government.
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yes but you do get confused very easily don't you
I actually think the only way forward is english devolution and a smaller central government.
Once again, it needs to be put into perspective. Labour is currently more unpopular, with a smaller share of the vote, than John Major's Tory government was after 1997.
The fact that they have spent the last 13 years gerrymandering the system certainly helps though.
The fact that they have spent the last 13 years gerrymandering the system certainly helps though.
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How would that work without independence? I.e. devolved Scot+Wales+NI+Eng governments would have to talk together at some point.
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The BNP aren't a perfectly legitimate party - at least not according to the most recent judgement on their constitution, it is still indirectly racist if memory serves.
It isn't so much that they are outspoken, in fact you could argue with that description of them - they frequently don't even admit to the racism (even people who profess to vote for them often seem unaware of the elements of their constitution) which hardly qualifies as being outspoken, it's that they're hopelessly inept as well.
There isn't "one tory party" tho is there. Before the election is even over, the in-fighting has begun
Seems to be a sizable amount of tories who want nothing but the "old ways", aren't prepared to move with the times, and don't even like half the members of their own party
For every interview that Cameron does where he seems like a reasonable enough bloke, they'll then go and interview an old-school tory and you have to wonder what world these people live in.
well I do admit that as a result of my experience of living under a tory govt for the first 17yrs of my voting life, I have a great fear of them getting back in power. I also remember very clearly the frustration of trying to stop them.
I admit labour haven't been that great either. But I have less fear from them.
I think we desperately need a fairer voting system, the first past the post system tends to give the party which wins carte blanche to do what they want.
An example the Tory boys may sympathise with is the Blair govt, surely it would have been better to have a more balanced govt then?
I do try to remain impartial though. I believe everybody has a right to a view. But they also have a duty to openly consider the other views.
well i did say a smaller central govt representing the uk as well.
the devolved govts would have to replace the county council system which I think is out of date now.
this is after all the type of thing cameron was saying in his manifesto sort of.
You manage to sprout the "Tories are evil" BS in almost every post, but you have as yet NEVER given an example of why the Tories were bad.
Getting rid of government money being given to jobs that did not need doing in this country is NOT a reason
As for English devolution, I say we just kick Scotland out of the union and let them fend for themselves.
We then cancel NI and Welsh devolution deals and have everything run as a single country.
We stop this nonsense of NI MPs not sitting in parliament, making it a legal requirement to attend parliament xx% if you are an MP
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this type of attitude is exactly why I fear the tories, you have no idea of how extreme you are do you?
It's just my opinion, I respect yours, please respect mine.
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I respect it, I will defend your right to it... but it's wrong
I damn well won't respect your opinion if you are unable to provide some facts to backup the "omg they are evil" claims
I can respect people voting for a particular party, and people interpreting things differently ... but I cannot respect when someone sprouts BS constantly
How is it xenophobic?
The current Scottish government are the SNP - so clearly enough of the Scots want "independence" to have them as the government.
I have NEVER supported devolution, we are one country .. why do Scotland, NI and Wales have a right to independent government while the English don't?
Lastly, why must England endure Labour governments just because the Scots are too thick-headed and keep voting for the socialists?
The current Scottish government are the SNP - so clearly enough of the Scots want "independence" to have them as the government.
I have NEVER supported devolution, we are one country .. why do Scotland, NI and Wales have a right to independent government while the English don't?
Lastly, why must England endure Labour governments just because the Scots are too thick-headed and keep voting for the socialists?
Considering the number of seats that Labour lost I would say there was a very concerted effort by many to get Labour out. Not to mention some very significant swings in otherwise safe Labour seats. I know plenty of people around where I live that voted conservative for no other reason than it was the best chance to get rid of the incumbent Labour MP (sadly it failed, but it was always an outside chance. Labour shill has never once voted against his party).
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Indeed. I would cry the day we lose the Union. It *is* us. All of us. We were all (well, 9/10 of us) were born into it.
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Whilst the BBC are clearly not impartial and do have an agenda, they are nowhere near as biased as Murdoch's minions at Sky.
They're all biased one way or another, the key thing is to be aware of their bias and watch their programs and coverage objectively.
Calling for people to watch the BBC instead of Sky because Sky are biased is silly, that's just asking for people to watch the bias you agree with, not the bias you don't.
Calling for people to watch the BBC instead of Sky because Sky are biased is silly, that's just asking for people to watch the bias you agree with, not the bias you don't.