Poll: *** 2010 General Election Result & Discussion ***

Who did you vote for?

  • Labour

    Votes: 137 13.9%

  • Conservative

    Votes: 378 38.4%

  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 304 30.9%

  • UK Independence Party

    Votes: 27 2.7%

  • Green Party

    Votes: 2 0.2%

  • Scottish National Party

    Votes: 10 1.0%

  • British National Party

    Votes: 20 2.0%

  • Plaid Cymru

    Votes: 1 0.1%

  • DUP

    Votes: 4 0.4%

  • UUP

    Votes: 1 0.1%

  • Sinn Fein

    Votes: 2 0.2%

  • SDLP

    Votes: 3 0.3%

  • Other

    Votes: 16 1.6%

  • Abstain

    Votes: 80 8.1%
  • Total voters
    985
  • Poll closed .
Dolph said:
And if he goes crawling to the losers to do so, they will also be finished as the country will vote it down.

They also decisively turned against labour, which is something Clegg needs to remember. Labour are less popular now than the Tories were in 1997.
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Oh dear just seen ashdown talking on AM. Deal or no Deal, is that the banker on the phone? Not it's GB hahhahah!!!!

What we have is a load of posh vi's spouting of on the tv. If they don't actually sort something out, there could be big trouble.

The people are sick to death of men in suits telling them what to think. The whole system is a joke.
 
How many other manifesto commitments should the lib dems sacrifice on the alter of PR?

This is a serious question, and must be going through the minds of those involved in the negotiations.

Are 10 commitments met worth sacrificing a guarantee on PR for?

15?

20?

At some point, you have to remember that you aren't a single issue party.
 
Dolph said:
Even if that was the case, Clegg is only saying what the country has voted for....


Do you instead advocate that the Lib dems should join with the most unpopular labour party since 1983, even though they won't have a majority and the public will hate them for it?
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so you think most lib dem voters want a tory govt? in that case why didn't more vote tory.

This election has been an absolute disaster for Cameron, the most unpopular labour govt since 1983 and he still couldn't win, what a joke. The next labour leader will be much better than Brown.:D
 
Dolph said:
How many other manifesto commitments should the lib dems sacrifice on the alter of PR?

This is a serious question, and must be going through the minds of those involved in the negotiations.

Are 10 commitments met worth sacrificing a guarantee on PR for?

15?

20?

At some point, you have to remember that you aren't a single issue party.
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they will all be sacrificed for a fairer and more accountable political system, which will then lead to a much more stable govt.
 
Dolph said:
Even if that was the case, Clegg is only saying what the country has voted for. ...
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No; it may be what you voted for but I suspect that many people gave a little more thought to what they were voting for.

Dolph said:
... From Cameron's speech on Friday.
To fellow Conservatives who have fought and campaigned and worked so hard to achieve the massive advance we have made in this campaign, I want to make it clear that I do not believe any government should give more powers to the European Union.
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That pretty much fits in exactly with the suggestion to pass legislation to ensure that it cannot happen. The return of powers was not mentioned in the speech, but was covered in the manifesto.
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Indeed it wasn't; what was written on behalf of Hague was:
Return of powers on criminal justice, the Charter of Fundamental Rights, and social/employment issues from the EU to the UK level.
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Dolph said:
Do you instead advocate that the Lib dems should join with the most unpopular labour party since 1983, even though they won't have a majority and the public will hate them for it?
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Clegg can't be mad enough to do this and I don't know why anyone would think they would.

If labour with Brown in charge get into power again with a lib dem/Labour coalition, Brown will push the country into further trouble, increase our debt to 1.4trillion and the country will unanimously vote them out next election. The thing is, Clegg will get caught in the crossfire, lets say as 3 separate parties now Labour were to lose 30% more of their seats next election. Tories AND Lib Dems stand to gain a lot of seats each in areas they didn't compete and small changes in a lot of others will get them a lot more seats.

If Clegg joins with Brown, in 4 years most of the seat changes will be simply to Tory, and none to Lib Dem, or very few. Without joining Brown, Lib Dem's have a very good chance to gain a lot of real power next election, not a one week "i can choose the PM" power. If they join with Brown the only thing I can see is one of the biggest majority wins ever for Torys in the next campaign.

If Torys get in now with a minority, I have no idea how the next election will go, as Torys might not get much done with a minority, and its really anyones guess who the country goes for at the next election. They might decide its Browns Labour ruining their policies in the house and give Tory more vote to get them a majority and see how it goes, or they might jump back in the Labour boat, I honestly don't know.
 
Slam62 said:
so you think most lib dem voters want a tory govt? in that case why didn't more vote tory.
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No, I think they wanted to be represented by a lib dem in parliament, and wanted progress on the ideals the lib dems promote.

The best way for that to be achieved is in a formal coalition with the conservatives.

This election has been an absolute disaster for Cameron, the most unpopular labour govt since 1983 and he still couldn't win, what a joke. The next labour leader will be much better than Brown.:D
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On the contrary, the issue is the system. He won a greater share of the votes than Labour did in 2005, and labour won a smaller share of the vote than ever since 1983. That hasn't translated into a majority because of the inherent bias in the constituencies that mean that Labour get more seats per percentage share of the vote than either of the other parties.

Cameron has a plan to correct this and make the system fairer even without going to PR.

Going on what has happened in previous hung parliaments, if there is no formal coalition, expect a new election in the autumn where Labour and the lib dems will probably be wiped out, and we'll be saddled with a massive and potentially damaging tory majority.

I'd much rather have a lib/con coalition than a large Tory majority.
 
stockhausen said:
No; it may be what you voted for but I suspect that many people gave a little more thought to what they were voting for.
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Are you suggesting that the largest party should not have a role in government? is that the future you envisage under PR? A future where the country doesn't choose the government...

Indeed it wasn't; what was written on behalf of Hague was:
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And given that we don't know the contents of the discussions currently underway, and that the source is practically foaming at the mouth with regards to the idea that Labour are no longer considered a progressive party that the lib dems must side with, I'd take it with a pinch of salt.
 
Slam62 said:
The people are sick to death of men in suits telling them what to think. The whole system is a joke.
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And the alternative to men in suits is what?

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Proper Cabinet candidates those.

Slam62 said:
This election has been an absolute disaster for Cameron, the most unpopular labour govt since 1983 and he still couldn't win, what a joke. The next labour leader will be much better than Brown.:D
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You lost all credibility (I'm not sure you had any tbh) with that post. Cameron did as good as he realistically could. Indeed England has a good Tory majority. The inherent bias in the constituencies (and Scotland's staticity) resulted in the outcome we see. Cameron (and others before him) have been trying to correct this for years. Even standardising constituency size would be a bloody good start (reassessing every x years).
 
Dolph said:
How many other manifesto commitments should the lib dems sacrifice on the alter of PR?

This is a serious question, and must be going through the minds of those involved in the negotiations.

Are 10 commitments met worth sacrificing a guarantee on PR for?

15?

20?

At some point, you have to remember that you aren't a single issue party.
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Indeed.

According to what I've read this morning, they are going to be offered 4 senior cabinet posts in exchange for their support. There is much to be said for getting a foot in the door then attempting to affect change from the inside, ne c'est pas?

As long as Nick doesn't bend over and ask David to take him dry from behind to achieve this, then I will be broadly content with such an approach.
 
The Mad Rapper said:
Indeed.

According to what I've read this morning, they are going to be offered 4 senior cabinet posts in exchange for their support. There is much to be said for getting a foot in the door then attempting to affect change from the inside, ne c'est pas?

As long as Nick doesn't bend over and ask David to take him dry from behind to achieve this, then I will be broadly content with such an approach.
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I've said it already, but I would love to see Clegg as home secretary (one of the positions apparently offered). After the authoritarian Labour ones, it would be fantastic to have a liberal home secretary, and it would also be the home secretary's job to drive electoral reform...
 
Slam62 said:
so you think most lib dem voters want a tory govt? in that case why didn't more vote tory.

This election has been an absolute disaster for Cameron, the most unpopular labour govt since 1983 and he still couldn't win, what a joke. The next labour leader will be much better than Brown.:D
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This shows your lack of understanding, if we had a "fairer" electoral system, then the Tories would be miles ahead and labour would have been comprehensively defeated (they have been anyway).
But even though the fact that the voting system is massively, not just a little, but massively in favor of labour, the tories still support it, if it wasnt for the conservative support for this system, labour would not of been able to ruin the country in the way they have done, because they would never of had the numbers against the other parties to steam roller their oppressive authoritarian agenda through.
 
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