I'd say "completely undemocratic" doesn't equate to bad government. We don't have a pure democracy, so we may as well deal with one of the flaws and improve the quality of the democratic decisions.
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There are far too many dim people voting, mind. Somebody said to me the other day that they were considering voting either Lib Dem or UKIP but were undecided. I mean what?!
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It reads like you'd rather have a dictatorship. Russia has room, off you go
I believe he has said that dictatorship is the best form of government on more than one occasion... or was that Dolph?
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I don't disagree, some people are stupid. But, that said, they are still entitled to their vote. Our forefathers didn't battle Nazi oppression just so PMKeates could stop the 'normal man' voting - even if the 'normal man' is as thick as ****
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I, for once, don't mean this in an inflammatory sense, but the LibDem's (with two very obvious exceptions of Cable and Clegg at a push) seem very amateurish.
Danny Alexander looked utterly petrified and beaten. Did Hague... 'have' him?
Danny Alexander looked utterly petrified and beaten. Did Hague... 'have' him?
What people like you gloss over is the fact that EVEN MORE people voted against a Labour government or a Lib-Dem government.
But lets not facts get in the why huh?
Tories got the more seats and the most votes, it's there democratic right to take charge whatever. Just because Lib-dems lost and came in 3rd place, you think they should hold so much power? Sorry but in every other voting situation the most votes wins, why should an election be any different?
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Sorry, when was this? I've been out - what have I missed?
General Haig - Butcher of the Somme?
I think a semi-democratic constitutional expert governance would be interesting.It reads like you'd rather have a dictatorship. Russia has room, off you go
Don't think I've ever said that...
I doubt they fought "to allow the normal man the vote", to be honest. They fought to fight off potential invaders and people working against our interests. When my grandad was growing up it wasn't even legal for women to vote!I don't disagree, some people are stupid. But, that said, they are still entitled to their vote. Our forefathers didn't battle Nazi oppression just so PMKeates could stop the 'normal man' voting - even if the 'normal man' is as thick as ****
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They did fight to preserve the British way of life. Part of that way of life is every person of eligible age being able to vote.
Dolph is a Libertarian, which is about as far away from dictatorship as you can possibly get. Unless of course you are redefining words again so when you say dictatorship you don't actually mean the dictatorship the rest of the world thinks of.
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Apparently a group called 38 degrees just raised 15k in an afternoon and are taking out a full-page ad in the Times tomorrow supporting the call for a change to the voting system.
Good stuff
Yes, as i posted earlier...
Many activist groups, including 38 Degrees were involved (and still are) in these 'purple protests'.
http://www.takebackparliament.com/
RDM, i'm not sure who exactly said it but there is certainly a forum member who has said that they support dictatorship on more than one occasion, Dolph springs to mind.
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True, but people are selfish. Dumb, uneducated people in particular, and the whole point of electing a government is to let them decide what is best overall for everyone, not for one individual person. If everyone had an equal vote, we'd probably have even more benefits for the unemployed, and even higher tax rates for the rich i.e. labour on steroids.
So basically you are just guessing and deciding someone you disagree with politically has said it when it is very far removed from their own personal political views? Frankly your idealist "socialist" world is closer to a dictatorship than Dolph's views will ever be.
Thousands of aspects of the British way of life have changed since 1939, many of which had been around for a lot longer than universal suffrage had at the time.
There's a difference between supporting a dictatorship, and acknowledging that it's by far the most effective method of governance - which of course it is - the downside being the more effective the capability to govern, the more susceptible it is to abuse 
It isn't me, unless, as RDM says, you're redefining the term to something that no-one else recognises, which you do have previous form of after all...
I find it funny that you are saying such things while presenting the actions of a very small minority of people as being representative of the will of the people as a whole...
Apparently a group called 38 degrees just raised 15k in an afternoon and are taking out a full-page ad in the Times tomorrow supporting the call for a change to the voting system.
Good stuff
Apparently there's going to be another protest tomorrow evening (I guess most of the protesters are hard working people despite what the Torybois here might claim) and an even bigger protest on Saturday too. I'm almost tempted to get off my apathetic ass and head down to London tomorrow night