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How are the Liberal Democrats a fringe party?
I think he was referring to the BNP etc.
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I think he was referring to the BNP etc.
How are the Liberal Democrats a fringe party?
they will be if they don't get PR
We (and most Western economies) didn't owe more than 200% (total liabilities) of GDP in '29.
Do most Western economies currently owe more than 200% (total liabilities) of GDP? I doubt it.
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Total liabilities, yes they do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt
That's only external debt. Throw in public debt (although that will overlap slightly, natch), liabilities (pensions and such) and it's end game time.
There are better sources, but I'm eating food and cba at the moment.
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Surely the backlash should be against the lib dems, who have the smallest support and are being given the biggest of opportunities in a very, very long time?
isn't that the time when Gordon Brown said "no return to boom and bust" ??
Been mulling over what the outcome could be if the con-lib talks go pear shaped.
Mad as the alternative coalition is, I could see it happening. I can't see Gordon Brown leading it though. He's effectively been rejected as PM by the electorate. Plus I can't see the public accepting another PM that wasn't leading a party at the time of the election.
However - if GB continues as PM, heading a melange of parties coalition, I think at the very least the public need a deadline for his departure. So GB as 'caretaker' PM for just long enough to act on the economy and arrange a referendum on electoral reform before leading to another general election with a different labour leader...
I'm not keen on the idea but I could see it happening at this rate.
Mad as the alternative coalition is, I could see it happening. I can't see Gordon Brown leading it though. He's effectively been rejected as PM by the electorate. Plus I can't see the public accepting another PM that wasn't leading a party at the time of the election.
However - if GB continues as PM, heading a melange of parties coalition, I think at the very least the public need a deadline for his departure. So GB as 'caretaker' PM for just long enough to act on the economy and arrange a referendum on electoral reform before leading to another general election with a different labour leader...
I'm not keen on the idea but I could see it happening at this rate.
well he was spot on, it was just bust from there on in.
May I suggest you actually go and learn what the Labour party were actually offering before going off on a foul mouth rant that only shows your ignorance.
Labour do not support and did not offer PR at any point during this election.
you watched a 10 min movie in 2 mins well done
I never said I watched it, but that doesn't mean I don't recognise the style. Rest assured that GB remaining in power for a week or so while negotiations take place won't cause the entire country to collapse.
PS - Coalitions in other countries typically take weeks to months to form. I'm as guilty as everyone else for wanting the uncertainty to end now, but that's primarily because this situation is alien to us.
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I really can't understand why Labour are thinking about PR now. It's only now, now that the current system no longer suits them that they want electoral reform, so that it rings nicely with the Lib Dems and so that they hold onto power. Whereas back in 1997, when it didn't suit them, they would have never lifted a finger to bring in PR. And you have to feel that this must be going through Nick Clegg's mind right now, that no matter who he 'gets into bed with' he will be hard pressed to get what he wants, even if on the face of it Gordon 'seems' to be offering what they want.
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I thought they offered AV
Yes, they offered AV, not AV+.
AV is a variant on FPTP that is frequently even less proportionally representative for first choice candidates than FPTP.
AV+ is the proportional version that is similar to AMS/MMP.
The 'reform' Labour wanted would actually have made things far worse than it is now.
I must say, the widespread belief that Labour were offering some form of PR is either an example of mass stupidity in the population or a mastery of spin...
How do you work that out? They have 23% of the votes up 1% from last election, which was 3.7% up from the election before that, which was 1.5% up from the election before that...
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Nope not at all, I and I suspect many others in the media and public would completely support the Lib Dems in making a refusal to agree to electoral reform an absolute deal-breaker, and likewise would be very disappointed if they dropped that for pithy ministerial/policy compromises.
The main reason being is think the general public are unlikely to get in an uproar about the the LibDems not getting an Education Minister or Home Secretary or suchlike (I can't see the Tory party agreeing to a LibDem Chancellor personally) because it's pretty vague what, if anything would get enacted and what compromise was reached over what the Tories were planning in any event. As Cameron pointed out, they are pretty similar on a number of policies and ideals so how 'big' is the opportunity they are being offered - to have their policies put into effect which are virtually the Tory policies anyway? Big wow.
Voting reform is a very straight-forward issue to campaign on and a straight-forward, and not to mention currently popular, concession to seek, and is a clear distinction between the parties.
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Yup. We expect the LibDems to be firm in refusing to back away from their pledge to implement PR.
And Dolph, the article you quoted (as much as I managed to read of it), started with the classic opening argument that only LD voters wanted PR. That's what I said was crap.
60%+ in the yougov poll supported it (as reported on the news).
Only one party has made it one of their election pledges, but that doesn't mean the general public don't want it, because they didn't vote LibDem.
And then you say it's all Labour spin? LOL, the tories can spin with the best of them, it seems.
Just been looking at http://www.electoral-reform.org.uk
STV sounds interesting, if I understand right, similar steup to what we have now. But if your first choice has no chance of being elected you can nominate a 2nd choice which your vote will be moved to.
STV sounds interesting, if I understand right, similar steup to what we have now. But if your first choice has no chance of being elected you can nominate a 2nd choice which your vote will be moved to.