Poll: *** 2010 General Election Result & Discussion ***

[The Mad Rapper]

Love the Labour MP (John Mann) they're interviewing at the moment.

"The right decision for the country, the labour party, and for Gordon. Gordon Brown will now be remembered as the most successful chancellor the country has ever seen"

John Mann is a two faced arse - he was just slagging Gordon off last week!

 

[PermaBanned]

I can't see Labour actually offering PR though. That's still going to be a sticking point.

Before they started talks with the Tory's Brown offered him a reform on the election system, not sure if he detailed it or not though.

 

[JohnnyG]

Perhaps they do know. It may just be that we don't know

That would mean that Brown has been telling porkies in saying that he's asking his party to launch a leadership contest, it is my firm belief that would never mislead anyone like that

 

[Russinating]

No, just choosing who is not the leader of the Labour party

And a good decision it is .

 

[The Mad Rapper]

That would mean that Brown has been telling porkies in saying that he's asking his party to launch a leadership contest, it is my firm belief that would never mislead anyone like that

Of course

 

[Dolph]

Lib/Lab would be good for two things... A crushing defeat in a PR referendum and an early general election with a crushing defeat.

is that the legacy Clegg really wants?

 

[LabR@t]

Why is it wrong?

If Labour want any hope of winning the next election then they simply must get Alan Johnson as their new leader. Milliband (Blair 2.0) or Balls (Brown 2.0) will be hopeless.

Labour will not get for years once the fullscale of our troubles/debt are now released

 

[PermaBanned]

Is it at all possible that in a lab/lib coalition Clegg could become PM?

I know it's very unlikely but is it actually 'allowed'?

 

[Cosimo]

In a statement outside Downing Street, Mr Brown said he had "no desire to stay in my position longer than needed" and would leave by the party conference in September.

He's still in Number 10.

 

[The Mad Rapper]

Read from the bottom up:

5.10pm Brown to quit for the sake of party

Excerpts from Brown's speech. We'll post the full text when we get it.

"We have a parliamentary and not a presidential system in this country, and as I said on Friday, with no party able to command a parliamentary majority ... my constitutional duty as prime minister is to ensure that government continues while parties explore options ...

"The business of government has continued, including concerted action in Europe today to avert crisis in the euro area.

"This morning I've had conversations with the heads of the European Commission, IMF, and the European central bank ...

"I've said that I would do all I could to ensure that a stable government ... is formed ...

"As we know, the Liberal Democrats felt that they should talk to the Conservative Party.

"Mr Clegg has just told me that while he wishes to discuss this ... He has now told me that he wishes to take forward formal discussions with the Labour Party.

"The cabinet will meet soon; a formal process is being established ... the first priority should be an agreement deficit reduction plan ...

"I believe that there is a progressive majority in this country."...I have no desire to stay in my position longer than is needed...

"As leader of my party I must accept that [the hung parliament] is a judgement on me.

"I have asked the party to set in process [a leadership contest] and hope that it would be completed by the ...Labour Party conference. I will play no part in that contest ...

"I hope you understand that I will be taking no questions tonight."

5.07pm Swift reversal

This is astonishing. A Lib/Lab coalition is once again on the cards - and Gordon Brown falls on his sword to help it happen.

We could be in line for another unelected prime minister, and David Cameron may have let the keys to number 10 slip through his fingers.

5.05pm Brown to stand down

This is it. He'll see through coalition talks, then stand down in time for a leadership election at the Labour Party conference.

So, farewell then, Gordon Brown.

5.04pm Labour to begin formal talks with Lib Dems

More shortly.

 

[bazaarboy]

Being the largest single party without commanding an overall majority is clearly not a 'win' - that's the whole point, it is a hung Parliament, no-one 'won' this election.

the tories have the more legitimate mandate to govern, we have to have a government don't we?

it seems like the next parliament will be a short one, so the party with the most votes (by a margin of 2 million votes) should be given the chance

 

[Ahleckz]

Lib/Lab would be good for two things... A crushing defeat in a PR referendum and an early general election with a crushing defeat.

is that the legacy Clegg really wants?

Why do you think they would be defeated in a PR referendum?

Though yes, I agree with the second part.

 

[avec]

Lib/Lab would be good for two things... A crushing defeat in a PR referendum and an early general election with a crushing defeat.

is that the legacy Clegg really wants?

I'd almost like them to get on with it.

However, it would probably cost Cameron a lot of support amongst the extreme side of the Tory party.

It would also likely leave the new Tory majority government which arrives after the disasterous coalition facing an even larger problem, needing to make even more cuts and having most of them directed at England due to the stupid deals lib/lab did with the nationalists.

Which would basically mean, a portion of the moronic electorate yet again blame the Tories for the economic mess, blame the Tories for the cuts required to fix it and never vote Tory again for another generation.

 

[scorza]

Labour: We choose Mr Bob as our new leader.
Lib: Wahhhhhh! We don't like him. Deal is off.
Labour: Er... okay... brb. Lol.
Labour is afk.
Labour: We choose Mr Smith as our new leader...? Is that better?
Lib: He smells.... Look if you're not serious we'll go back to Dave.
Labour: No no! Give us a minute...

etc....

I think a Labour leadership contest will take longer than is required for what you are suggesting. I think the LibDems have said "we can't do business with Brown", bringing forward his resignation and re-starting discussions about a LibLab coalition, whereby the LibDems will have to agree to work with whoever is the new Labour leader.

I still say it's about 80% certain that there will be a LibCon coalition, and a Conservative minority government more likely than a LibLab deal.

 

[XPE]

Crap

 

[LabR@t]

Give it a rest, you never vote for the PM anyway.

The leader does not quit days after the election and letting somebody else take power for the next five years,
if they had ian Huntley as leader would they have got as many votes I think not so it is all relevan

 

[The Mad Rapper]

5.20pm An act of desperation

Instant analysis from Peter Riddell:

"Gordon Brown has dramatically changed the succession battle by laying down his own job. It is a last, desperate move to prevent a Conservative/Liberal Democrat coalition.
"The chances of the Brown manoeuvre succeeding are still long. He did not consult Cabinet ministers before making his announcement, and some believe his suggested progreassive or rainbow coalition does not form the basis for a sustainable stable administration.

"In the short term, however, Mr Brown's announcement that he intends to stand down as Labour leader is intended to remove an obstacle to the negotiation with the the Lib Dems which will now start formally, after informal contacts since last Friday.

"The uncertainty is because Labour and the Lib Dems combined still do not have enough MPs for an overall majority and would require the support of some nationalist and independent MPs to survive.

"Some ministers believe that this combination would not be politically credible, since the Tories won the most votes and MPs at the general election."

 

[XeNoN89]

Oh good the two people who LOST are probably going to be in power, yeah that makes sense....






I blame the amount of retards in this country

 

[meghatronic]

I think a Labour leadership contest will take longer than is required for what you are suggesting. I think the LibDems have said "we can't do business with Brown", bringing forward his resignation and re-starting discussions about a LibLab coalition, whereby the LibDems will have to agree to work with whoever is the new Labour leader.

I disagree. I reckon it will be fixed interanlly - by Clegg in the matter of hours. He has the ULTIMATE bargaining chip.

I still say it's about 80% certain that there will be a LibCon coalition, and a Conservative minority government more likely than a LibLab deal.

I hope to Thor that you're right.

 

[scorza]

Labour will not get for years once the fullscale of our troubles/debt are now released

After 2 years of mis-managed George Osborne spending cuts I'd say they had a good chance of winning the next general election.