So what happens when most of the ideas that you voted for don't get put into practice and only the ones that you werent as interested in/bothered about get put through?
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So what happens when most of the ideas that you voted for don't get put into practice and only the ones that you werent as interested in/bothered about get put through?
If the Labour spinsters are to be believed "most of the public" voted for it ???
I hope someone comes out and says that this is a very nice taste of what PR would entail in the future. This doesn't feel particularly democratic, especially since the party that 'won' the election may not even get into government so the majority of the population that voted for them will see their vote completely ignored.
It's quite disgusting and has made me completely against PR without the necessary protections for the winners to form a government.
All those morons who say "but the majority want PR" are equally clueless, since the majority see the word proportional and think it's fairer automatically. None of them know what it would actually entail.
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People who voted Labour, apart from being idiots and/or Scottish, voted for a referendum on AV. Not on getting AV
You do know that our electoral system works by you electing an MP to represent your local area (constituency), LDs are NOT popular enough in most constituencies to win a majority, which means that someone else is more popular in those areas.
PR simply tries to ignore the wishes of the constituency population by taking things on a national scale.
What we need is FPTP but with equal sized constituencies.
weird that you wherent saying this about a lib/tory partnership... they would have been ruined. the only reason people voted lib is because they hated the tories yet didnt quite agree to gordon staying
Indeed, I wasn't being serious, I'm completely tired of them pretending they have legitimacy based on selective maths.
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No, the general election is to elect your local parliamentary representative, who happens to form the national government.
There is nothing unfair about the current voting system in that regard.
It is not proportional, but not being proportional != not being fair.
Which is still tyranny of the minority, in most cases the winner of the seat got less than 50% of the vote of their constituency, more people did not vote for them than did, you can't really call them popular. FPTP ignores the wishes of the constituency population too, how about all the people who didn't vote for the winner?
When you say equal sized constituencies do you mean by size or population? I assumed we were pretty close to the latter atm, hence clusters of constituencies in and around the big cities, changing to the former would be manifestly unfair as it would reduce the voting power of the non rural electorate.
I voted Lib Dem because I support their policies, my 2nd choice though would be Conservatives, hence I would be quite happy to see a Lib/Con alliance. Considering they in the end only got 1% more of the vote than last time the Lib Dems appear to have a pretty decent core support for being themselves.
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You voted Lib Dems who said they would implement STV in their manifesto. Now it looks like we'll get AV. How do you feel about that?
Ffs why do people keep saying this? Nobody voted for Lib/Lab combined, they voted for one party or the other.
Saying the above is as meaningless as saying more people voted for Lib/Con, it's just adding up votes for completely different parties.
I hope a Lib/Lab alliance happens now. Lab are just showing themselves to be interested in nothing other than hanging on to power. Lib have turned into a single issue party, and in that respect they are really no better than BNP. Plus, Lib are basically whoring themselves out for the best personal gain to them, they don't have the interests of the country in mind at all.
Good luck to a Lib/Lab alliance, they won't have a decisive majority so we'll have a trainwreck coalition of losers, which means we'll have have another election within a year. Hopefully even more of their loyal idiots will start to see the light and stop voting for either of them and they'll be unelectable for a generation. It's just criminal they have to screw the country over to get their second homes redecorated over the next year.
I feel sorry for the Conservatives, they won the most votes yet are prevented from forming a government. Which is a shame for the country, you only have to look at the £/$ to see who the rest of the world have confidence in.
That doesn't matter.
We vote locally as to who represents us as Westminster.
Together these people clump together to form parties, where the party is formed upon people who think alike.
The party with the majority forms a government.
To me that is the FAIREST system.
Each MP has more support locally than the other lot, it is not tyranny of the minority - people vote for who they feel represents their views best.
I think one of the political bloggers (might have been Guido Fawkes) was saying yesterday that it's worse than that now, it's the dogs excrement wagging the dog.
Ffs why do people keep saying this? Nobody voted for Lib/Lab combined, they voted for one party or the other.
Saying the above is as meaningless as saying more people voted for Lib/Con, it's just adding up votes for completely different parties.
I hope a Lib/Lab alliance happens now. Lab are just showing themselves to be interested in nothing other than hanging on to power. Lib have turned into a single issue party, and in that respect they are really no better than BNP. Plus, Lib are basically whoring themselves out for the best personal gain to them, they don't have the interests of the country in mind at all.
Good luck to a Lib/Lab alliance, they won't have a decisive majority so we'll have a trainwreck coalition of losers, which means we'll have have another election within a year. Hopefully even more of their loyal idiots will start to see the light and stop voting for either of them and they'll be unelectable for a generation. It's just criminal they have to screw the country over to get their second homes redecorated over the next year.
I feel sorry for the Conservatives, they won the most votes yet are prevented from forming a government. Which is a shame for the country, you only have to look at the £/$ to see who the rest of the world have confidence in.
Your not bitter much at all are you. Yeah it's the rest of the world that has confidence in a conservative govenment which is why the pound will suffer until the day they resume power LMAO.
Personally I hoped for a conservative govenment, I still do because whoever gets the job in the end can expect a short stay in power and be hated for a good 10 years.
Who would have thought it, that the lib dems are now being compared to the BNP. How selfish of them to actually try and negotiate a position for the 6 million voters that voted for them.
They are all losers, the country didn't have enough faith in any of them to vote them winners.
The only certainty at the moment is that we will get something that we couldn't vote for; a Conservative minority government, a ConLib alliance, or a LabLib alliance
A weak pound is better for Britain right now and is helping the economy. It's no wonder people don't trust the Conservatives when they still don't seem to get this.
People can sit here and scream "but they do it all the time in other countries!!!111" but I don't think the British public are really enjoying what is vastly approaching a week of uncertainty and therefore the magical PR is seeming less and less attractive.
Disappointed, AV is a fudge that doesn't address the real issue of having an outcome that is representative of the totality of votes cast. However it is a move forwards in terms of electoral reform and in that sense if it gets the electorate in general more familiar and comfortable with other ways of voting I'd take it, with a view obviously that at some point in the future we'd move forward again to something like AV+/STV
No representative system is perfect, but some systems are more imperfect than others. When you're one of 45 million voters your voice is but a whisper; you don't get all you want. I'd rather have a system that is more likely to deliver some of what I voted for than a system that deliver none of what people voted for to the majority of the population in most elections.
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We did vote for a Conservative minority government
Nope, this is a fallacy. Another grand Labour assumption that turned out not to be the case, and instead made everything more expensive for us - a nation of consumers. This helped push inflation well past the target, too. Go and look at how our economic export has coincided with the rise and fall of the GBP over the last two years.
So you do not think it is fair for one party to win and therefore exclude the views of a proporation of the population?
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