Poll: *** 2010 General Election Result & Discussion ***

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Toryboi's

I think the point at which you feel you need to refer to the other party in a debate using a selection of comical slurs is the point at which it becomes pretty obvious you've lost.

 

[meghatronic]

Miliband seems to be very happy. Oh dear what a fiasco.

Of course he's happy!!! Nick Clegg just made him future leader of the Labour party.

 

[rypt]

You Labour folk seem to think that continuing to spend far more than we can afford for another year is a good thing, you seem to think that leaving the lunatics who created the deficit and increased our debt an insane amount in charge is a good thing and that they are best placed to continue in government and deal with the mess (the mess that they alone created).

To Labour folk the private sector are thieves who are stealing money from the REAL economy, the public sector. Every penny that is not paid in tax by the private sector is money that has been taken out of the economy as it is money that now cannot be spent on the real economy, the public sector.
When Labour get in, be prepared for even higher taxes so that they get more money for the real economy, the public sector.

 

[jas72]

The City and business leaders everywhere are desperate for cuts to happen as soon as possible and for them to be large enough to cut down our deficit and start to deal with the debt. Just cutting down the deficit is going to be a massive undertaking and the deficit is solely created by Labour overspending, yes that's right, Labour overspending.

The Conservatives are the only party who will make the cuts necessary to have a hope of digging us out of this desperate situation.

You Labour folk seem to think that continuing to spend far more than we can afford for another year is a good thing, you seem to think that leaving the lunatics who created the deficit and increased our debt an insane amount in charge is a good thing and that they are best placed to continue in government and deal with the mess (the mess that they alone created).

You even seem to think it's acceptable for them to form an alliance with the nationalists, which as the nationalists have openly said all accross the media, would cost the English taxpayer dearly.

I honestly cannot understand your logic, I really can't.

cept it wasn't it was created by the financial crisis. Solely by the Financial crisis and stock market slump which was predicted by about 2 people world wide and caught every major financial institution on the hop but you know more mate.

 

[meghatronic]

I think the point at which you feel you need to refer to the other party in a debate using a selection of comical slurs is the point at which it becomes pretty obvious you've lost.

He's done it from the onset. Presumably in utero too.

 

[Dr Jack]

I was not having a go at you because you don't agree with me, I was having a go at you for use selective maths to justify things which Labour are doing.

So selective maths to support the minority Tory party is fine, but not for Labour? Okay.

You are categorically falling for Labour spin if you believe their selective maths, if you believe that 'everyone lost' the election and if you routinely add up the support of Lab/Lib and feel there is justification for those two to work together ahead of anyone else.

Everyone did lose. The choices in front of the Parties reflect that. Personally I'm hoping for a Lib-Con coalition the notion that a Lab-Lib coalition is not justified by the collective will of the electorate is bobbins.

 

[Third Opinion]

Of course he's happy!!! Nick Clegg just made him future leader of the Labour party.

Yeah, shame the Labour party can't find a leader who can be elected by the voting public.

 

[RDM]

cept it wasn't it was created by the financial crisis. Solely by the Financial crisis and stock market slump which was predicted by about 2 people world wide and caught every major financial institution on the hop but you know more mate.

The financial crisis was outside of Labour control. However moving the regulater to an already busy regulator that was finding it difficult to cope was all Labour. Increasing the deficit during the boom years so when the crisis hit we had no reserves, that was all Labour. But if you want to ignore that, fine, it makes little difference. We have all had our say and now it is up to the politicians to decide who the government is going to be.

 

[Greebo]

The City and business leaders everywhere are desperate for cuts to happen as soon as possible and for them to be large enough to cut down our deficit and start to deal with the debt. Just cutting down the deficit is going to be a massive undertaking and the deficit is solely created by Labour overspending, yes that's right, Labour overspending.

The Conservatives are the only party who will make the cuts necessary to have a hope of digging us out of this desperate situation.

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I agree with the first bit but not the second. Pre election it was the Lib Dems who had announced the biggest cuts but even then it was only 23% of the decifit (Lab and Vons were 18 and 19% from memory). Who knows how the 3 main parties were going to find the other 77%+ of cuts needed as none of them were saying.

Perhaps if they had all being honest and said 20% VAT, basic rate of tax to 25%, massive public spending cuts etc then we could have made an informed decision on who to vote for and it might not have being a hung parliament.

As it is people have had to vote on who they trust as to whether it the extra unannounced cuts would hurt them and whether they were prepared to vote for them. I suspect therefore that a lot of people voting on the "traditional" views that Labour will hit the rich hardest, the Tories will protect the rich.

 

[anything I don't mind]

i told you voting in this election was pointless when the winner does not even get to win and the self elected dictator brown says he has to decide now who is going to be prime minister...

why did you all waste your time voting, no one listens to me

 

[rypt]

cept it wasn't it was created by the financial crisis. Solely by the Financial crisis and stock market slump which was predicted by about 2 people world wide and caught every major financial institution on the hop but you know more mate.

Doesn't matter if it was predicted or not, a regulatory framework needed to be in place that prevented banks having so many (potentially) toxic assets that it would be enough for them to go belly up. The framework needed to prevent the need for taxpayer bailouts, it needed to ensure that credit rating agencies actually rated the contents of the derivatives, and not merely what organisation what selling them thus assuming that if the organisation is rated AAA, it's derivatives must be of good quality.

Labour failed on all those regulatory counts.

 

[Dr Jack]

The City and business leaders everywhere are desperate for cuts to happen as soon as possible and for them to be large enough to cut down our deficit and start to deal with the debt.

City leaders drove us headlong into the financial crisis while agitating for measures that would actually have made it worse - why should we give such weight to their opinion now?

 

[Vampire]

cept it wasn't it was created by the financial crisis. Solely by the Financial crisis and stock market slump which was predicted by about 2 people world wide and caught every major financial institution on the hop but you know more mate.

I think a lot of people could see it coming but simply chose to hope it wouldn't happen. You only have to look back in recent history to see that a crash would come at some point, it's happened regular as clockwork.

It's like the people who run up massive debts on their credit cards, but don't plan for what might happen if they lose their job, or other personal/family circumstances change etc. They just keep smiling, and keep hoping that things will be ok.

 

[Third Opinion]

i told you voting in this election was pointless when the winner does not even get to win and the self elected dictator brown says he has to decide now who is going to be prime minister...

why did you all waste your time voting, no one listens to me

Well all this talk of coalition Government, maybe we could have a Coalition PM between Miliband, Balls and Clegg.

They seem to be rewriting UK politics as they go along.

 

[Greebo]

City leaders drove us headlong into the financial crisis while agitating for measures that would actually have made it worse - why should we give such weight to their opinion now?

Very true. I notice most are back to making huge profits and paying huge bonuses again.

On another note, it's like the rating company which recently downgraded Greece, Psain and Portugal. They are the same rating company which rated the toxic debt as AAA which got us into this mess in the first place.

 

[meghatronic]

City leaders drove us headlong into the financial crisis while agitating for measures that would actually have made it worse - why should we give such weight to their opinion now?

As they contribute more to the purse than any other industry?

Very true. I notice most are back to making huge profits and paying huge bonuses again.

And paying huge tax, including the new 'supertax'. Tasty.

 

[Greebo]

Well all this talk of coalition Government, maybe we could have a Coalition PM between Miliband, Balls and Clegg.

They seem to be rewriting UK politics as they go along.

I still say a Lab/Con coalition is the way forward!

 

[Glaucus]

I still say a Lab/Con coalition is the way forward!

Also if we are using lab spin. then this is also what most of the population voted for.

 

[Greebo]

As they contribute more to the purse than any other industry?


And paying huge tax, including the new 'supertax'. Tasty.

It was a bit tongue in cheek as I do appreciate that it is the last "industry" we have in this country as we sold all the rest down the river and concentrated on the financial markets so it is a massive part of our GDP and we need them to do well.

However, it still galls me that they pushed and took these risks and then needed us to bail them out and now they are back to normal yet we as the public have all the pain to come. Last time I looked the debt was £17,000 for every man, woman and child in this country. I suspect it is over £20,000 now.

How soon will it be after massive tax rises that these financial institutions start moving abroad?

 

[meghatronic]

How soon will it be after massive tax rises that these financial institutions start moving abroad?

I cba commenting as it's retarded. Instead:

"We cannot afford to damage the competitiveness of an industry that contributes over 12pc of total tax revenues – especially with the Government eager to reduce the budget deficit. Losing the internationally mobile parts of the financial services sector would be disastrous."