Apple is now bigger than Microsoft

soundb0y said:
So let me get this straight, you complain about misinformation and then try to make it seem that you have an amazing contract while forgetting to mention you were on a much higher contract which paid for the very expensive phone.
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I was on a £35/month contract before I had my iPhone, so in effect I lost nothing besides paying for the handset upfront.

My point was owning an iPhone doesn't equal a poor contract as was being suggested. Yes, you can use any contract you want if you buy the handset outright, but that's been the same for all PAYG handsets since I can remember.

Not sure what your beef is? Do you want me to buy an Android handset?
 
EVH said:
Android is growing quickly because more "average" people want a smartphone and I truly believe it's because more people want something like an iPhone but either can't afford it or just outright hate Apple (the fanboys).
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Not everyone will want to buy the same phone- it's human nature to want something slightly different.
 
scorza said:
Only in the same way a £400 Dell laptop is more "powerful" than a £2000 MBP. I know which one I'd rather have.
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Me too, the 400 quid dell and 1600 quid spare money :). Have to be an idiot in my eyes to choose otherwise. 1600quid extra on something that isn't superior hardware wise...
 
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Sorry if that came accross as aggressive, I have no beef. No you are welcome to any phone you like, I just thought it slightly hypocrytical after posting about misiformation.

For the record Android is the only phone OS I haven't owned yet. I upgraded from my iphone 3g to an HD2 and get a much better contract without having to pay a fee upfront.

It generally is the case that iPhone contracts are overpriced compared to alternatives.
 
LizardKing said:
...fancy packaged hardware front end.
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Which is what Apple excel at. It's a fact that there will be more end points accessing the cloud than servers in the cloud. Though it might be a bit of a gimmick, the iPad is a significant innovation in the PC marketplace, and this will benefit Apple - historically Apple products only really gain traction when version 2.0 comes out anyway.

I think you're looking at this the wrong way. Over the last 20 years or so of computing, what's the one thing that has held non-Windows computers back? I'd suggest it's the old chestnut "Will this computer run my applications?" If the computer was Windows, then the answer was probably yes - if was something else then the answer was probably no. People want to use MS Office, so they buy Windows computers.

With cloud computing, and the adoption of open standards, that paradigm changes. Google Documents for example works exactly the same on a Mac as it does on a PC. If cloud computing takes off then what software your computer runs becomes less important than how your computer accesses that software.

You're right to say that Apple don't have a server OS presence, I don't think they ever will - that's not what Apple is about. However cloud computing is about a lot more than the servers.
 
Captain_Slick said:
That's missing the point, actually.

What happens when Apple has sold an iPhone/iPad/iPod to everyone that'll buy one? Their profits crash and Microsoft maintains it's steady income regardless. Apple are betting that they'll be able to milk the 'i' strategy forever but it won't work. They actually need to invest in OS X licensing more than anything.

That's why market cap is meaningless.
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yeah I mean some random guy on the internet like yourself obviously has a much better idea of how they need to run their business and how much they're really worth. Of all the thousands of smart people apple employs I bet none of them have ever thought of anything you just mentioned....
 
Come on then, someone post the £400 Dell that is spec-spec the same as a £2000 MBP.
 
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One point I'd like to make, Bill Gates only holds an honourary title in MS now, he 'resigned' a couple of years ago. Steve Ballmer is the man in charge now. :)
 
EVH said:
Android is growing quickly because more "average" people want a smartphone and I truly believe it's because more people want something like an iPhone but either can't afford it or just outright hate Apple (the fanboys).
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Android is growing because it offers an extremely similar experience to the iPhone OS which is appealing as it's very user friendly and easy to expand upon with apps etc. It does that but at around 60-70% of the price.

EVH said:
My point was owning an iPhone doesn't equal a poor contract as was being suggested. Yes, you can use any contract you want if you buy the handset outright, but that's been the same for all PAYG handsets since I can remember.
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Owning an iPhone from scratch i.e. going out and setting up a contract does equal a poor value for money contract.

Using a 2 year old phone on a month by month contract doesn't however.
 
digipeep said:
China, India, any emerging economies. If you were a citizen of these countries what would you do, buy a Microsoft licensed OS or just download Linux for free off the net.
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LINUX IS NOT FREE.
if your a company you're paying more for SUPPORT than the software itself. this is why OEM software is cheap - no support.
linux is only free if your time has no value.
this is from a linux user. I've got a dual boot at home and work with NT and linux at work.
anyone fool enough to think that a whole business can run their entire system on linux has never worked in the real IT world.
 
VeNT said:
LINUX IS NOT FREE.
if your a company you're paying more for SUPPORT than the software itself. this is why OEM software is cheap - no support.
linux is only free if your time has no value.
this is from a linux user. I've got a dual boot at home and work with NT and linux at work.
anyone fool enough to think that a whole business can run their entire system on linux has never worked in the real IT world.
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HP have done it for years now.
 
scorza said:
Which is what Apple excel at. It's a fact that there will be more end points accessing the cloud than servers in the cloud. Though it might be a bit of a gimmick, the iPad is a significant innovation in the PC marketplace, and this will benefit Apple - historically Apple products only really gain traction when version 2.0 comes out anyway.

I think you're looking at this the wrong way. Over the last 20 years or so of computing, what's the one thing that has held non-Windows computers back? I'd suggest it's the old chestnut "Will this computer run my applications?" If the computer was Windows, then the answer was probably yes - if was something else then the answer was probably no. People want to use MS Office, so they buy Windows computers.

With cloud computing, and the adoption of open standards, that paradigm changes. Google Documents for example works exactly the same on a Mac as it does on a PC. If cloud computing takes off then what software your computer runs becomes less important than how your computer accesses that software.
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I agree but which numpty would then go out and spend twice as much on a piece of hardware with all the same features just because it looks nicer and has a piece of fruit on the side?

Most people buy macs because of the annoying phrase i hear often, "it just works". If the OS is the same across platforms, then that phrase has the potential to apply to all, does it not?
 
EVH said:
Give over. Critical mass?

I think you'll find the app store is still growing exponentially. It's the device sales that are slowing, which will soon explode when the iPhone rev 4 is released in 2 weeks. Android is growing quickly because more "average" people want a smartphone and I truly believe it's because more people want something like an iPhone but either can't afford it or just outright hate Apple (the fanboys).
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You'll find Apple dont make massive amounts of money off the app market.
It will be interesting to see the sales figures of the new iphone and weather or not it can maintain Apple's current growth.


Owenb said:
OS's are a SMALL part of MS's income- since when?! They are probably going to sell ~140m window 7 OS's in 12 months, at a conservative price of $60, which is $8.4bn in OS sales, nearly all of which will be profit.
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Small was probably the wrong choice of word, OS's are there bread and butter, but most of the big bucks come from server licensing and support.
Most of the OS sales goes to OEM manufactures under a license agreement for something stupid like 10$ per license.
 
digipeep said:
I'm not an Apple fan, I'm a Linux fanboy.
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So your argument is obviously biased.

digipeep said:
I am really surprised about the amount of posters in this forum who are hurt when Microsoft is criticised. It's like I'm personally attacking some of you. I'm just stating the obvious guys, I'm not attacking you, Microsoft operating systems are still built on DOS, which in no way or another is an UNIX beating operating system.

I really honestly thought this was an IT geek forum.
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Windows is built on Windows NT now, which was built from scratch and has a subsystem for emulating DOS.
 
I can't believe how naive and misinformed that linux obsessed person is!

Still, gave me something funny to read during my lunch.
 
China, India, any emerging economies. If you were a citizen of these countries what would you do, buy a Microsoft licensed OS or just download Linux for free off the net.
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You would download windows off a torrent or buy it for a fiver on the black market.
 
I get around said:
Didn't like the android I tried, any of the HTC phones, blackberrys and the newer nokias didn't seem very durable compared to old or have anywhere near the functionality of the iPhone.
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Then you've not tried a G1 or an HTC Desire, at least not properly, even when I bought my Desire I was still praising the iPhone over it but after a few weeks it becomes so apparent that the Desire is so much more powerful than the iPhone, if we compare Android 2.2 to OS4 the gap widens even more, we're going to get:

Full flash support
720p video recording
A huge overall speed boost
The option to install apps onto sd cards
WiFi tethering
New OpenGL API's that'll take gaming apps beyond what the iPhone can manage.

And you, well you're getting multitasking sellotaped on, something Android already does.

I might have missed something in your post, but can you enlighten everybody as to what you can do on the iPhone OS that isn't doable on Android?
 
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