LOST..... How do you think it will end

Gribs said:
His first major set of murders were the Dharma initiative with the gas attack. Those instructions seemed to come from Richard and therefore logically Jacob as Richard was well aware who MiB was.
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Its my understanding that Dharma were drilling in order to find the source. They were likely getting close to finding it so Jacob took pre-emptive action to stop them finding it.

I don't think jacob was a bad man, it's more that he was forced to do the wrong things for the right reasons. Its enirely possible that Ben was in conact with MiB, and that the plan was all MiB's to begin with. Jacob saw this as a way of killing two birds with one stone, and sent Richard in as an intermediary to help get the job done.
 
Is worth changing the thread title to.....the events on the island were real? Actually "lost" count how many people keep asking, lol.
 
Spektor said:
... so those people now saying "but wtfm8 wheres ma ans0rs!!?" are essentially Ben sitting on the bench who haven't really understood the point yet to move on -- but when you've got it and realized the point feel free to join us in the church of happy awesomeness :P
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LOL Funny post.
 
Spektor said:
so those people now saying "but wtfm8 wheres ma ans0rs!!?" are essentially Ben sitting on the bench who haven't really understood the point yet to move on -- but when you've got it and realized the point feel free to join us in the church of happy awesomeness :P
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All those happy people are either:

1) those who fiddle with themselves to pictures of Evangeline Lilly
2) Women
 
ok i think i got this straight ..... they're all dead but if kate's and err the aussie girl dead then surely the plane went down, i which case where was richard, the pilot and the asian fella and is ben thereofore going to hell as he didn't enter the church?
 
cm1179 said:
ok i think i got this straight .....
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Really?

cm1179 said:
they're all dead
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Yes

cm1179 said:
but if kate's dead the surely the plane went down
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No. They lived out the rest of their lives normally off the island. The alternate timeline was purgatory in which they were all dead. It had no specific point in time so therefore the time in which they died is irrelevant.

cm1179 said:
i which case where was richard
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We never saw any more of Richard, but then he wasn't one of the Oceanic survivors in which the story was centered around

cm1179 said:
the pilot and the asian fella
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Same for these two, although we did see Miles, but again he wasn't part of the original 'group' and I guess it wasn't his time to move on.

cm1179 said:
and is ben thereofore going to hell as he didn't enter the church?
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No. Ben, it would seem, had unfinished business. He had "some things to take care of" as he put it. Which is probably spending time with Alex and atoning for his actions before he can 'move on'.
 
EgonSpengler said:
No. They lived out the rest of their lives normally off the island. The alternate timeline was purgatory in which they were all dead. It had no specific point in time so therefore the time in which they died is irrelevant.






No. Ben, it would seem, had unfinished business. He had "some things to take care of" as he put it. Which is probably spending time with Alex and atoning for his actions before he can 'move on'.
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oh right ok, he just didn't age then?
 
cm1179 said:
oh right ok, he just didn't age then?
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confused as to what you mean :S.

none of them 'aged' in the purgatory world. It was timeless, time didn't exist so they didn't age. Their experiences, memories and everything in that world was illusionary/fabricated so that they could meet up with one another. At least thats the gist i get.

As an example.

1. Jack died on the island.
2. Watch LAX part 1 again, when Jack opens his eyes and wakes up on the plane, that's him waking up in purgatory and popping up in that world at least from his perspective, coinciding with when he closes his eyes and dies on the island. But he is unaware of actually having died.

Same thing would have happened to Ben and all of the other characters we saw in purgatory.

Ben and Hurley probably protected the Island for a long time after Jacks death, perhaps hundreds or thousands of years. Hurley would have been ageless as the protector, and chances are he made ben ageless as well, at least in the real world, until they actually got killed and both popped into purgatory.
 
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so they really did crash and had 'normal' lives before this?

the death we saw of jin and sun, syid and jack happened on the island, the other people (kate, sawyer etc) lived out their life and died of natural causes? if so, why did they (jin etc) die on the island?

hurley and ben were protectors of the island for centuries?

desmond died on the island?

richards only purpose for living was so he could live on the island and not age, hence living forever. in the last episode it was apparent he was aging (the grey hair incident) thus he had either lost his faith in the island (this was also apparent a few episodes ago) or he had made peace with the fact he was going to hell and therefore it would have made sense to me to see him at the end

there was an episode where boones step sister shannon was killed but the whole thing was a trip (insitigated by locke) but had she infact died?

where was eko? (killed by the smoke monster)

was whitmore really a threat at all?
 
cm1179 said:
so they really did crash and had 'normal' lives before this?
Yes

the death we saw of jin and sun, syid and jack happened on the island, the other people (kate, sawyer etc) lived out their life and died of natural causes? if so, why did they (jin etc) die on the island?
Everyone who died on the island really did die. Frank, Miles, Richard, Sawyer, Kate and Claire all got off the island at the end and presumably died of old age or other causes off-island.

hurley and ben were protectors of the island for centuries?
Possibly, who knows until we see the bonus footage that is going to be on the season six DVD set. They could have protected the island for 5 years or 5000 years.

desmond died on the island?
Desmond didn't die, he was rescued by Hurley and Ben at the end of the last episode, presumably they helped him get off the island and back to his family.

richards only purpose for living was so he could live on the island and not age, hence living forever. in the last episode it was apparent he was aging (the grey hair incident) thus he had either lost his faith in the island (this was also apparent a few episodes ago) or he had made peace with the fact he was going to hell and therefore it would have made sense to me to see him at the end
No, he was ageless because if you watched the Richard centric episode then you should know that Jacob 'granted' Richard his agelessness in exchange for becoming Jacob's 'second in command' on the island. When Jacob died and/or the new protector of the island became Jack, then the common assumption is that the 'wish' that was granted for Richard, his agelessness, was removed because the person who granted it had died/the protector was someone different, so it made this 'wish' void, for lack of a better term. So Richard left the island and eventually grew old and died, the same as the others who left the island at the end.

there was an episode where boones step sister shannon was killed but the whole thing was a trip (insitigated by locke) but had she infact died?
I don't remember this episode to be honest so someone else will have to answer this one.

where was eko? (killed by the smoke monster)
We assume that Eko made peace before he was killed, so he had already 'moved on', and he didn't play a big part in the Losties lives which is another reason why he probably wasn't in the church.

was whitmore really a threat at all?
Who knows, his character seemed to be built up to play a big part in the end game and then he was just killed off, so it doesn't seem like he was much of a threat in the long run.
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cm1179 said:
so they really did crash and had 'normal' lives before this?

the death we saw of jin and sun, syid and jack happened on the island, the other people (kate, sawyer etc) lived out their life and died of natural causes? if so, why did they (jin etc) die on the island?

Yes Jin, Sun, Sayid and Jack died on when and where they were shown to die in the series, the first three in the submarine and jack in the bamboo forest. They died because, Sayid went boom, jin and sun drowned, jack got fatally stabbed by mib and was exposed to the electro magnetic energy of the light, thats all there is to it.

Everyone on the plane, Miles, Claire, Lapidus, Richard, Sawyer & Kate all got off the island in the Ajira plane as shown in the series, and presumably lived out their lived into old age before dying

hurley and ben were protectors of the island for centuries?
Presumably, it makes sense. Hurley would have been ageless as the protector and would have had access to all of the power Jacob had so probably gave Ben the gift of being ageless as well, until they both died of some other means besides growing old which they couldn't die from

desmond died on the island?
No, once Hurley became protector he helped Desmond get off the island and back to Penny and Charlie his son.

richards only purpose for living was so he could live on the island and not age, hence living forever. in the last episode it was apparent he was aging (the grey hair incident) thus he had either lost his faith in the island (this was also apparent a few episodes ago) or he had made peace with the fact he was going to hell and therefore it would have made sense to me to see him at the end
No, Richard started to age because the cork was pulled out and/or Jacob was dead so his power no longer worked. Chances are that now that he's off the island he aged normally until he died.

there was an episode where boones step sister shannon was killed but the whole thing was a trip (insitigated by locke) but had she infact died?
Shannon died for real when Ana Lucia shot her

where was eko? (killed by the smoke monster)
Eko wasn't in purgatory because he had already made peace with his life and presumably moved on.

was whitmore really a threat at all?
Widmore was a threat originally as he wanted the island for himself but Jacob visited him and taught him the error of his ways, hence why he came back to the island with Desmond.
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Edit: Beaten to it, but yeah answers as above :P.
 
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the only reason richard was given the gift of never ageing was because jacob said he could not make it possible for him to see his wife again but he could make him live forever, which is what richard wanted because he had been told he was going to hell (he can't go to hell if he never dies) but obviously if he has died of old age as he has lost his gift, it would've been interesting to find out a bit more about whether he still believed he was going to hell (when he tried to blow himself up - he said it was because he had lost faith in the one thing he had dedicated his life to) or if he had gotten over losing his wife ....... thinking about it, this may have been clarified in the episode when hurley could see her ... hmmm i really should watch these again
 
cm1179 said:
the only reason richard was given the gift of never ageing was because jacob said he could not make it possible for him to see his wife again but he could make him live forever, which is what richard wanted because he had been told he was going to hell (he can't go to hell if he never dies) but obviously if he has died of old age as he has lost his gift, it would've been interesting to find out a bit more about whether he still believed he was going to hell (when he tried to blow himself up - he said it was because he had lost faith in the one thing he had dedicated his life to) or if he had gotten over losing his wife ....... thinking about it, this may have been clarified in the episode when hurley could see her ... hmmm i really should watch these again
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Err, I thought Jacob said he could bring the wife back to life and she could live a normal life, but the cost for that was Richard had to stay, help him, and he would make him ageless to complete that task, it wasn't a reward, it was a cost, it was however long of almost slavery as a cost for saving his wife.


THe Boon trip showing Shannon dying, wasn't Shannon dying, it was him tripping as the island tried to show him something/teach him something......... why/how/why/why/why/how and one last why the island could teach people show people, change things and wanted to teach people was unclear. Its assumed he was a candidate and it was part of the test to get him closer to accepting the job of caring for the island, I assume thats what it all ways. But considering they didn't explain how Jacob could do this, or how the island could do this, where their power came from, what the power was, why it was important to protect the island/source, what would happen if the island went down, what would happen if MiB got off the island, well, we didnt' get any of those things answered.

It was assumed, well they intimated the world might end, everyone would die, no one would be safe if the island went down........... but MiB lost his powers, wasn't a smoke monster and wasn't unkillable after the source was, "unplugged", so at that stage, the island was going to sink and MiB could live a normal life somewhere if he survived the boat ride somewhere. They again didn't explain why the island needed protecting or why MiB leaving was such a bad thing.

I still think they created the entire purgatory thing, after it was suggested as a possible idea for what the island actually was in the first place(after it was clear they had no idea what/where the show was going after it got a second season) just so they had a beginning and an end to a major storyline in the final series/final episode to statisfy the easily duped.

Is it just me or, if MiB loses all power with the island gone, with the island safe at the bottom of the ocean at an unknown location, likely with the "source" power gone, with no people to bring to the island for games to be played between Jacob/MiB and no one trying to find out/steal the power source, wasn't the island better off on the ocean floor?
 
drunkenmaster said:
Err, I thought Jacob said he could bring the wife back to life and she could live a normal life, but the cost for that was Richard had to stay, help him, and he would make him ageless to complete that task, it wasn't a reward, it was a cost, it was however long of almost slavery as a cost for saving his wife.
Jacob gave Richard the gift of being ageless because he asked for it. Jacob asked Richard to be his aide/advisor and in return he could get a wish. He specifically sated he couldn't bring his wife back to life, which was Richards first request. When he said he couldn't do it Richard replied 'in that case, i want to live forever'. Which Jacob granted as it was within his power

It was assumed, well they intimated the world might end, everyone would die, no one would be safe if the island went down........... but MiB lost his powers, wasn't a smoke monster and wasn't unkillable after the source was, "unplugged", so at that stage, the island was going to sink and MiB could live a normal life somewhere if he survived the boat ride somewhere. They again didn't explain why the island needed protecting or why MiB leaving was such a bad thing.
Yeah they did, to protect the source and to make sure it doesn't go out. Mother explained that if the Light goes out on the island, it goes out everywhere i.e. in every single person.


Is it just me or, if MiB loses all power with the island gone, with the island safe at the bottom of the ocean at an unknown location, likely with the "source" power gone, with no people to bring to the island for games to be played between Jacob/MiB and no one trying to find out/steal the power source, wasn't the island better off on the ocean floor?
That is an interesting point i have to say lol. But remember that mother said the light going out would be a bad thing. Therefore, the island being intact, on top of the ocean with the drain in the source chamber plugged can surely only be a good thing.
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