World Cup 2010 - GROUP C (England, USA, Algeria, Slovenia) **spoilers**
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I think you'll find for some of us its 2 years of mostly awful football, able to beat some of the worst teams around and let us qualify but having gone backwards for the best part of two years, having picked some of the worst players ever to wear the shirt, to continue to wear the shirt.
Its nothing to do with two draws, the points, the results or anything at all. The manager has done nothing, not a single thing to improve the team, thats called failure, but for a strangely strong group for the Euro's and a particularly weak group for the world cup and teams like Croatia having gone massively downhill inbetween, the team is actually worse than it was 2-4 years ago, we're awful.
Terry actually seemed like a captain today, we're going to have it out with him, tell him whats not working and see if something can be done before its too late. Of course would be nice if the actual captain did this, and maybe more than a few days before the final game which could knock us out, but there you go.
But again this is the managers problem, there is an obvious and massive problem, and he's done smeg all except say "i don't know who this England is", the worst thing about that being, this is how they've played for two years, just against worse opposition and even then we've gone behind against some of the worse teams I've seen in years and years and we only just beat some of them with a LOT of luck.
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I'd be surprised if Rooney didn't start against Slovenia... He has a big reputation as one of the best strikers in the world, and Capello seems unwilling to make any significant, unforced changes. I'd quite like to see Crouch play a lot more, but I still think Rooney will be #1 choice... Maybe even with Heskey again
I'm not saying Rooney should play, just that I think he will
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first game, quite tense. second game, bloody tense. third game, mild heart attack?
COME ON ENGLAND!! YOU *******S!
COME ON ENGLAND!! YOU *******S!
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first game, quite tense. second game, EMBARRASSING . third game, mild heart attack?
COME ON ENGLAND!! YOU *******S!
Rumours going around that Terry and Rooney came to verbal 'blows' lastnight over this meeting that they all had.
Supposedly there was never supposed to be any 'meeting' to clear the air so it came as quite a surprise when JT announced it to the media.
Supposedly there was never supposed to be any 'meeting' to clear the air so it came as quite a surprise when JT announced it to the media.
There's quite a valid reason. Terry was captain when we were playing at our best, also, taking the captains armband from a player must be demoralising, he shouldn't of been taken the armband for personal affairs because it has to be part of the problem considering he captain'd Chelsea to success twice this season and the fact we don't have Beckham playing for his talent, experience and morale boosting when he's on the pitch, it's not quite the same when he's sat on the bench.
firstly - no reason at all to suggest England as a team would play better with a different Captain (especially all or nothing game which England HAVE to win to progress)
2ndly - yes there was every reason to remove the armband considering what he was doing with an England team mate's partner, and his "martketing" ideas in relation to England and Chelsea
3rdly - Never go back - especially with FC possibly being forced to resign, the new manager will want his own captain, and player power is never a good thing imo
4thly - who said Chelsea didnt win DESPITE Terry - everyone admitted on here he didnt play well for a decent period of time during the season, and he hasnt played that well at the WC so far either
He did it when Wayne Bridge wasn't even with her IIRC as the media was referring it to Wayne Bridges ex, so that shouldn't be a problem. Terry may not of played well, but he was their captain and a captains presence on the pitch is enough to boost the players, and everyone knows a captain is essential when playing football, so Terry did play a key role in Chelsea's success whether he played badly or not.
England have had 3 captains now during Capello's reign and that's ridiculous despite Rio's injury wasn't his fault, just that stupid idiot Heskey.
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The following are not reasons for England playing badly:
- Money
- Low motivation playing for England
- Mental weakness
- Team morale
- Formation
- Lack of WAGS allowed
- Who the team captain is
- Whether the players agree with Capello releasing the team 2 hours before the game
- Robert Green throwing the ball into his own net
- Invasive press
- England fans booing
- Vuvuzelas
- The colour scheme of the decor in the hotel bedrooms
The following is a reason for England playing badly:
- The players are not good enough.
When Rooney cannot even trap a ball and Heskey falls over himself then boots it out for a goal kick, is this because of the manager or the formation? No, it's because we are GASH.
- Money
- Low motivation playing for England
- Mental weakness
- Team morale
- Formation
- Lack of WAGS allowed
- Who the team captain is
- Whether the players agree with Capello releasing the team 2 hours before the game
- Robert Green throwing the ball into his own net
- Invasive press
- England fans booing
- Vuvuzelas
- The colour scheme of the decor in the hotel bedrooms
The following is a reason for England playing badly:
- The players are not good enough.
When Rooney cannot even trap a ball and Heskey falls over himself then boots it out for a goal kick, is this because of the manager or the formation? No, it's because we are GASH.
Absolute rubbish, we all know the majority of them are good enough which is what frustrates. None of those issues on their own have created a team playing poorly but I'm sure a few of them factored in haven't helped.
Terry, Lampard, Cashley, Gerrard and Rooney would walk into just about any side in the world if available. If the brazillians could play rooney up front right now they would. If it was just about being good enough Real Madrid with the players they have bought in the last 10 years would never have lost a game.
As we all know just being good enough isn't enough when building a team. Unless you think Denmark and Greece were world class when they won the euros.
Unsurprisingly Terry's press-conference has gone down well in the mornings papers 
Interesting to read that several players weren't too happy with Terry's comments too so I guess he wasn't speaking 'on behalf of the players'.
Incredibly naive and stupid of Terry to say what he did yesterday, especially if he hasn't got the balls to follow it through and raise the issues with Capello, which it's being reported he didn't.
I don't really have too much of a problem with him questioning Capello's decisions but to do it publically and then not even to resolve these issues has done nothing but undermine Capello. Tbh the more I think about it the more it smacks of bitterness on Terry's part over the whole captaincy fiasco and if you believe what's been reported about Terry's role in Scolari and Mourinho's exits from Chelsea, it wouldn't be out of character for Terry to **** stir.
Interesting to read that several players weren't too happy with Terry's comments too so I guess he wasn't speaking 'on behalf of the players'.Incredibly naive and stupid of Terry to say what he did yesterday, especially if he hasn't got the balls to follow it through and raise the issues with Capello, which it's being reported he didn't.
I don't really have too much of a problem with him questioning Capello's decisions but to do it publically and then not even to resolve these issues has done nothing but undermine Capello. Tbh the more I think about it the more it smacks of bitterness on Terry's part over the whole captaincy fiasco and if you believe what's been reported about Terry's role in Scolari and Mourinho's exits from Chelsea, it wouldn't be out of character for Terry to **** stir.
Well said Danny.
Most of the players are all capable of something special, they just haven't been able to show it so far in the world cup. Rooney was awful against Algeria, he couldn't control the ball, in the second half his passing got even worse. The guy looks absolutely shattered and when he was running it was as if he was running in sand. He doesn't look match fit but all the nations hopes are on him, the media have continued to build him up and he'll be their scapegoat as soon as England exit the world cup. He lasted a full 90 minutes 3 times since mid February for Man Utd when he got injured, yet Capello time after time played him in friendlies at Wembley on that god awful pitch while he was still not ready instead of using those games to have a backup plan up front.
Most of this falls on Capello and not the players, honest to christ why isn't Joe Cole playing on the left? Why isn't Lennon allowed to keep playing on the right without him being switched to the left? Why is it that every time the England defence get the ball, they bypass midfield by thumping the ball up to Heskey? Why is there so little build up play? And why is it that England have only really created 2-3 clear cut goal scoring opportunities in 180 minutes of this world cup?
Most of the players are all capable of something special, they just haven't been able to show it so far in the world cup. Rooney was awful against Algeria, he couldn't control the ball, in the second half his passing got even worse. The guy looks absolutely shattered and when he was running it was as if he was running in sand. He doesn't look match fit but all the nations hopes are on him, the media have continued to build him up and he'll be their scapegoat as soon as England exit the world cup. He lasted a full 90 minutes 3 times since mid February for Man Utd when he got injured, yet Capello time after time played him in friendlies at Wembley on that god awful pitch while he was still not ready instead of using those games to have a backup plan up front.
Most of this falls on Capello and not the players, honest to christ why isn't Joe Cole playing on the left? Why isn't Lennon allowed to keep playing on the right without him being switched to the left? Why is it that every time the England defence get the ball, they bypass midfield by thumping the ball up to Heskey? Why is there so little build up play? And why is it that England have only really created 2-3 clear cut goal scoring opportunities in 180 minutes of this world cup?
In all fairness we know the players are more than good enough. Thats why we get so frustrated with them for not performing. Well you maybe right about Heskey
We qualified so easily so whats changed between then and now ? Losing Rio and King ? The captaincy ? Fall out between the players ? Wish I knew
The level of opposition hasn't changed yet and we really should be steamrollering them at the group stages.
Has Capello drastically changed the formation ? Not as far as I can see.
Which leaves some of the players mental state, morale and confidence. Some are like rabbits caught in the headlights and are pertified of making a mistake knowing what will happen at home if they do.
We've already seen they have the ability to give anyone a game and most times beat them.
You missed out the ball and the altitude
They have 1 chance to put it right and I'll be behind them all the way.
COME ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What's going to be the lineup and formation then?
Joe Cole left and Gerrard behind Rooney?
Just put Crouch up front all game, scrappy 1-0 headed winner
Joe Cole left and Gerrard behind Rooney?
Just put Crouch up front all game, scrappy 1-0 headed winner
It was his ex by the time the articles were written - not sure if it was Bridge's ex when the affair happened.
Either way I dont think team mates should go out with Ex's, which ever way it was (its not likely to make your team mate like him anymore - and considering how Bridge was handling it when City played Chelsea - its a pretty fair comment)
You do not choose a captain thats playing badly - whether the captain loses his armband (or is dropped) for playing badly is another matter entirely
England have never played well until it means something & that is what I am hoping is going to happen here.
I laid in bed last night visualising Joe Cole sprinting up the wing & hooking up with Gooney, Once the first goal is scored then Lamps pierces the back of the net with a 35 yard strike & the crowd goes crazy with relief. Not to be out done Gerard trys a strike that comes back off the goal keeper that Gooney taps in making it 3 nil & we are still in the first half.
I laid in bed last night visualising Joe Cole sprinting up the wing & hooking up with Gooney, Once the first goal is scored then Lamps pierces the back of the net with a 35 yard strike & the crowd goes crazy with relief. Not to be out done Gerard trys a strike that comes back off the goal keeper that Gooney taps in making it 3 nil & we are still in the first half.
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