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waso_dude said:
Just for the info!

With an official bumber the iPhone 4.0 DOESN'T fit in the official dock!

I think my dock will be going back then.
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However, for those of us with the Universal Dock, the iPhone 4 fits rather well when you use the original iPhone adapter :). Admittedly I don't have the bumper but I don't think it would fit in this setup either.
 
O2 have had a major network issue, the sims that have been activated seem to have had an issue,

my sim that was working fine all day went down at around 9pm and is "no service"

O2 said should be ok within 24 hours...

my GF also on o2 who went through the same process, her phone is working fine, so its only effecting some, not all o2 customers
 
Walked straight into Carphone warehouse in Oldbury west midlands at 9.20am, she fetched my phone from the back and did the ID checks, asked what tariffs i wanted on vodafone and went to get a micro sim from the back room, there was none in stock yet but they was to come in later that day.
As promised, I had a phone call at 1.15pm and headed over, paid for the iphone and setup my contract there and then. Got home a few hours later from work, popped sim in the phone, activated via itunes and the network was all ready for me to use. Gotta say a nice and pleasant transaction on behalf of CPW and Vodafone (and 1GB mobile web/1GB bt openzone wifi which beats my previous supplier O2 by miles, their problem for not being loyal to existing customers!)

£119 for an iPhone 4 16GB
£35 for 18 months which include 600mins, 500 txts, 1GB mobile web and 1GB wifi
Only killer was the £13.99 insurance a month but it covers theft, damage including accidental, huge unauthorised phonebills, loss while abroad and they will replace there and then if they have the stock in the store to do so.
 
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IndieSchmindie said:
If you demonstrate it in a loud voice, I suspect you'd get a decent chance at a replacement though ;)
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Which would be exactly the same. It's pretty clear that it's a fault with either the physical design of the phone (most likely) or possibly could be ironed out by software, in the event that it's the antennas confusing each other, possibly that something can be done.

Either way - it's all the phones, not some. The only variation is down to how strong people's signal is in the area they try it. Yell all you like, you're phone's not broken, it's flawed.

waso_dude said:
Just for the info!

With an official bumber the iPhone 4.0 DOESN'T fit in the official dock!

I think my dock will be going back then.
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I would have thought this was fairly obvious?

Take object A, make object B that it fits into snugly, then put something around object A that makes it considerably bigger... it was never going to work, was it? Why did you expect it to?

If you want a case that you can dock, wait til Switcheasy bring something out - they sell their cases with Universal Dock adapters that fit them.
 
A very interesting theoretical post was made by someone on another forum, certainly worth a read regarding the antenna issue -

May I posit a theory of what's going on? I have no inside information that this is, in fact, what is happening, but it seems to me to be the most plausible theory.

Let me state first that it is a complete impossibility that Apple's engineers "didn't realize" there was a problem with the design. These aren't blind morons throwing together a bunch of parts and saying, "Let's see if this works, guys!" These are some of the best engineers and industrial designers on the planet. First, every design they create is based ON THEORY. They don't just build something and then test it to see if it works. But more importantly, every design coming out of their lab goes through iteration after iteration after iteration after iteration after iteration, each prototype being subjected to rigorous testing IN THE LAB, before even being brought into the field for testing. You can even see this for yourself with the leaked prototype iPhone 4's (which were all extremely late-stage prototypes), which bore the markings "EVT" and "DVT," standing for "Engineering Verification Test" and "Design Verification Test," respectively. Believe me when I say that design-wise, nothing this glaring "slips through" testing

That being said, it IS conceivable that Apple made a conscious decision to prioritize form of over function as I have seen them do a few times in the past (albeit for much smaller considerations than the one at issue). However, I sincerely doubt that that is the case, since much of the known evidence contradicts this blind assumption. Everyone is focusing on this being an inherent issue in the design of the phone, but what I find to be a much more likely explanation is that it is not so much an issue with design as it is with manufacturing. The fact that there have been at least several documented cases of iPhone 4's that don't seem to exhibit the problem suggests this theory to be true, especially since the number of apparently positive cases will always be substantially inflated, given that it's the users WITH the problem who are much more likely to report back than those without it.

Now, it is conceivable that the differences in results among users are due to other variables like location and that the problem would surface among "unaffected" users if those users were to test it in a different environment. But I highly doubt that Apple, or any company for that matter, would deliberately release a product that it knew to suffer a defect in design so severe as to cripple the central functionality of the device--especially since they could, it seems from the preliminary evidence, have maintained the aesthetic appeal of the device and still avoided the issue by more fully insulating the two antennae from each other. Much more likely, in my opinion, is the following:

Apple realized very early on in the manufacturing process that they had a problem (back when they first started ramping up production to significant quantities in early to mid-May). They immediately rectified the issue from there on out, but they then faced a choice: They could either take the iPhones they had already manufactured off the supply line, eat the cost, and, most crucially, delay the launch and suffer a PR disaster; or they could let the defective models come to market.

Apple's being Apple, they would have been extraordinarily reluctant ever to publicly acknowledge there was an issue, so instead, they thought the problem through and came up with a way they could maintain the launch date and mitigate the cost, in profit loss and PR, that they would have to eat due to recalling the defective devices: Quickly rush to market a set of colorful Apple-endorsed iPhone cases that JUST cover the conductive surfaces of the phone. The backstory for the launching of the cases gains some credulity because Apple happened to have already launched a case for the iPad, so Steve could casually mention in the keynote that "We did it for the iPad. We thought we'd try our hand at it for the iPhone." Case manufacturing ramp-up time is likely MUCH faster than the time it takes to ramp up iPhone production, so they could quickly rush the cases to market. Give it a clever name, include it in the keynote, and a substantial number of customers are likely to buy the bumper and never notice that their bought-at-launch iPhones are defective.

For those customers who do experience a problem, replace their phone no questions asked. But those customers who return it are likely to be a small subset of the whole launch day purchaser population, saving Apple substantial amounts of money and, more importantly, PR problems. Never publicly admit there's a problem, maintain the launch date, and preserve Apple's "untarnished" image. After a month or so, the iPhones subjected to the revised manufacturing process would hit the market, people would start experiencing the problem in much lower quantities, and the problem would quickly fizzle away to nothing, only to be vaguely remembered in the annals of Apple product launch history.

I actually think it is a rather interesting and creative--if not completely responsible--way of handling the issue. And it seems to me to be the most likely theory of what's going on. I'll reserve further judgment until we see how this pans out. Until then, let us all watch with bated breath.
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Wouldn't surprise me in the slightest :p
 
PardonTheWait said:
Which would be exactly the same. It's pretty clear that it's a fault with either the physical design of the phone (most likely) or possibly could be ironed out by software, in the event that it's the antennas confusing each other, possibly that something can be done.

Either way - it's all the phones, not some. The only variation is down to how strong people's signal is in the area they try it. Yell all you like, you're phone's not broken, it's flawed.
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I don't know. There seem to be more people saying they can't replicate the problem than are getting it. It could be down the the batches of production in which case you might stand a chance of getting a working one.
 
IndieSchmindie said:
I don't know. There seem to be more people saying they can't replicate the problem than are getting it. It could be down the the batches of production in which case you might stand a chance of getting a working one.
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Since reading the big post above I think I might be leaning towards agreeing with you on the possibility of it not affecting everyone, however I think from the various threads dotted around that if it's not all the phones it is a very very large amount of them.

Obviously those who do have the problem are much more likely to say so than those that don't. Give it a few days and hopefully we'll have a wider better picture to try and suss out what proportion of phones actually do it, but that people with it are more likely to speak up, coupled with different signal strength and stuff will make it quite hard.

It won't affect me day to day, because I use a case which seems to stop it, and I know that one way or t'other it'll get sorted. Plus I sold my 3GS three weeks ago :D

Will be interesting to find out what the problem actually is, because as with most stuff like this it's just a load of people who don't actually know what they're talking about (i.e us) trying to work it out.
 
I managed to re create this by holding both sides of my phone on the gaps.

I have a bumper and never go naked so not an issue but will have it replaced if there is a fixed revision out.
 
PardonTheWait said:
Since reading the big post above I think I might be leaning towards agreeing with you on the possibility of it not affecting everyone, however I think from the various threads dotted around that if it's not all the phones it is a very very large amount of them.
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Absolutely. I wasn't suggesting is was only a fraction. I think we could be talking a really big chunk - 25-50% maybe.
 
Apple respond - http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/apple-responds-over-iphone-4-reception-issues-youre-holding-th/

We know what you're thinking, and we're thinking it too: this sounds crazy. Essentially, Apple is saying that the problem is how you hold your phone, and that the solution is to change that habit, or buy one of their cases. Admittedly, this isn't a problem that exists only for the iPhone 4 -- we've seen reports of the same behavior on previous generations (the 3G and 3GS), and there is a running thread about this problem with the Nexus One. While it is definitely true that interference is an unavoidable problem, we can't help feeling like this is really a bit of bad design
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I'm hoping that is a joke, though its hard to tell.
 
Well, I was really hacked off with the UPS guy today. Found an 'unable to deliver' note stuffed in my letterbox with not so much as a knock on the door. Can't figure out how he got past the security door without ringing our doorbell though. :mad:

So long as he doesn't pull the same stunt again tomorrow, all will be forgiven when I have my new precious in hand :)
 
Macrumors

In a followup email, Jobs then expanded with this explanation:

Gripping any phone will result in some attenuation of its antenna performance, with certain places being worse than others depending on the placement of the antennas. This is a fact of life for every wireless phone. If you ever experience this on your iPhone 4, avoid gripping it in the lower left corner in a way that covers both sides of the black strip in the metal band, or simply use one of many available cases.

Steve Jobs has been known to respond to emails and we were able to log into Samcraig's email account to verify the authenticity of the emails, so we believe these are real.
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I'm still thinking its some kind of joke. Surely. :p

Edit: It has been confirmed by Apple in an official statement. What.
 
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