LIES: I told them I'm working but I'm not

[Amp34]

In the cover letter I tried not to make a reference to it but yes there's a line that says "in my current position I...".

So claiming ignorance with sending a CV that wasn't updated might not work. I was hoping to use that until I just checked the cover letter and found that line.

I made the mistake to try this out on ONE job application, literally one!

When were you made redundant and when was the job advertised (not when did you apply but when was the job advert first posted)? In the jobs I've appled for they have 2-3 month windows, if you were employed when the first job advert was placed then you can just say you wrote the application but forgot to send it for a couple of months.

Obviously if you applied straight away then you're out of luck...

 

[kylew]

And it's because of complete tools like this, kids, that we live in such a ****ed up world.

No it's not, don't be so dramatic.

 

[kylew]

In the cover letter I tried not to make a reference to it but yes there's a line that says "in my current position I...".

So claiming ignorance with sending a CV that wasn't updated might not work. I was hoping to use that until I just checked the cover letter and found that line.

I made the mistake to try this out on ONE job application, literally one!

For all they know, you could have a general letter already typed up that you adjust for what ever job you're applying for.

I'd say the best step to take would be to claim you send them an outdated letter or that you've became unemployed since applying depending on how long it was since you left.

 

[Energize]

If you had recently been made redundant then you could have backdated the letter to make it appear as though it was delayed by the postal system, 6 months however is a bit more difficult. Not as though there's anything unethical about it but it's going to be hard to create a believable excuse.

 

[turbotoaster]

Well said, turbotoaster, you are a tool.

I hope an OCUK detective can find your current employer somehow and let them know the Grade A idiot they have employed.

I hope it gets you sacked.

maybe so, but i still get jobs when everyone else is crying theres no work, like i mentioned before you might not like what i do, but you have to admit its effective and theres a lot of people like me who do the same.

You can either compete with me or let me have the advantage, thats your decision but that doesnt stop me or other people doing it.

It seems you have taken it to heart that im doing this by hoping someone from an internet forum will get me sacked, very mature.

You would rather i didnt have a job at all and sat on the dole draining from the system than getting a job and putting money back into society, strange that!

 

[Robbo]

maybe so, but i still get jobs when everyone else is crying theres no work, like i mentioned before you might not like what i do, but you have to admit its effective and theres a lot of people like me who do the same.

You can either compete with me or let me have the advantage, thats your decision but that doesnt stop me or other people doing it.

It seems you have taken it to heart that im doing this by hoping someone from an internet forum will get me sacked, very mature.

You would rather i didnt have a job at all and sat on the dole draining from the system than getting a job and putting money back into society, strange that!

You are just a complete idiot. Simple as that.

 

[Fuzz]

Just fill out the form with the correct info - dont say anything - and if they mention it just say your CV was out of date. Simples.

This sounds like the best plan of action to me

 

[turbotoaster]

You are just a complete idiot. Simple as that.

see even now you are so closed minded

OMG he lies, burn him with fire!!!

Is it because you just generally hate people who lie to better themselves or is it something else, i can understand your moral anger at it, but calling me an idiot for finding a way to get a job easier seems very short sighted.

You havent come up with anything useful to what ive said, just thrown abuse, makes me think your unemployed and angry because my type are getting the job you think you should have.

I suggest you have a think about what i have written before you next comment, as there are many people like me out there, you might not like it but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

 

[Robbo]

see even now you are so closed minded

OMG he lies, burn him with fire!!!

Is it because you just generally hate people who lie to better themselves or is it something else, i can understand your moral anger at it, but calling me an idiot for finding a way to get a job easier seems very short sighted.

You havent come up with anything useful to what ive said, just thrown abuse, makes me think your unemployed and angry because my type are getting the job you think you should have.

I suggest you have a think about what i have written before you next comment, as there are many people like me out there, you might not like it but that doesnt mean it doesnt exist.

Yeah, I'm not going to reply to you any more.

I think you're probably just trolling and are a good little boy just trying to be a bit 'radical' on a forum

 

[turbotoaster]

no, this thread is about lieing to get a job, im just explaining there are people who will go much further than this little indescretion to get a job and you can either be truthful all the time and risk not getting the job(not saying that would happen) or go in the opposite direction and use what advantages you have avaliable to get what you want.

Its simple, you can go either way, im just showing the more extreme end of the scale as thats what ive always been taught when it comes to job hunting, be a yes man then once youve got the job you can sort out the rest after, hasnt failed me yet so im partaking this advice onto other people, they can use it as they will.

Im not trolling, im telling you the truth, because i see threads like this all the time about people trying to get a job and failing, people complaining they cant find work etc

 

[gambitt]

turbotoaster, you have to understand that some people (on this forum in particular) are so self righteous that to even suggest doing something that they don't agree with then you will get slated for it. They only deal with black and white, there is no grey area with them. Just let them be and don't waste your time.

 

[trentlad]

They can tell from the tax code which is normally 921 but that won't matter. By the time you give them the P45 part 3, you are already working for the new company. It's the HR Dept. that deals with your P45 @ the new company.

Edit. if that came across the wrong way OP, I'm on your side. P45's are issued from the JC in the 5th month of the year. For £65.00 a week JSA it will show next to nothing in the TPTD.

For all they know, you could have a general letter already typed up that you adjust for what ever job you're applying for.

I'd say the best step to take would be to claim you send them an outdated letter and CV.

Being sweet and honest doesnt get you diddly squat in this world, especially in a recession.

The CV is just to get your bum to the interview

id rather risk getting caught in an interview than never getting an interview.

Impress in the interview and ill bet the dates wont even come up, as long as you get a good reference from your previous employer you should be fine.

Thanks a lot for everyone's comments. Seriously appreciated.

I think these three are making me think the hardest. If I hadn't mentioned anything in the cover letter it would have been easier to email before the interview and say "whoops". That would dispel the taste of ignorance in the interview room.

If I walk into the interview and claim I made an incompetent error by not checking my work and blindly sending out files (not just one file but two - CV and cover letter), then I'll come across as incompetent and be at a massive disadvantage immediately.

Then again, honesty is the best policy. In the interview I'll have to flat out lie in their face and if the truth comes out then they most certainly will not be happy I did that. It'll place my integrity into question, that's for certain.

 

[Kanifee]

if you take the moral high ground you walk away now, as you say theirs no way you can bring the error to there attention, you come across incompetent and theirs even the chance the interviewer will see through you and realize your intention was to deceive from the outset. on the flip side you've started now, you have a chance at obtaining a job, the alternative is not really an option so what do you have to lose, if you are ok then fine you have a job and life gets better and if it doesn't work out then you are exactly where you would be if you took the moral high ground and walked away.

Its a gamble, and one that potentially could pay dividends especially during a time of economic struggle, jobs are thin on the ground and can you honestly say that you would be happy to just walk away?
ive had jobs and never handed in a P45, the payee department and the department holding interviews are two different departments and id be highly surprised if they would flag you for not handing in the form.

Id go for it, you have a chance of a job, dont throw it away, its easy for someone gainfully employed to say shame on you and that you should struggle and find a job being honest about you current unemployment but life on the dole isn't easy if you are used to a steady income and a standard of living unobtainable without a job, the way i see it you have nothing to loose and everything to gain.

 

[Pookie Bear]

Working in employment law, I can confirm that there are lots of companies who take this kind of matter very seriously. To some employers, lying on an application form is clearly gross misconduct and will lead to dismissal.

At the end of that day, it's up to the individual to decide whether they want to take that risk or not but, as with anything, you have to accept that sometimes there are consequences to your actions - and they may not be very pleasant.

 

[gambitt]

The thing is, he's been vague on his application form. All he's put is a statement that says "in my current role..." - it's not specific and you can easily tell the truth in the interview and I bet they won't even notice that you put "current" instead of "previous".

You are spending far too much time worrying about this non-event, you should probably be focussing on the rest of the interview.

 

[Kenai]

I made the mistake to try this out on ONE job application, literally one!

Perhaps it's why this the one application you actually have an interview for?

If you had have been truthful then it would probably have landed your CV in the bin just like all your other apps seem to have done.

 

[The Funktopus]

Tell them, and plead that you mistakenly sent them an outdated copy of your CV. Knowing my luck something like this would spring up and bite me on the arse later on.

 

[Robbo]

turbotoaster, you have to understand that some people (on this forum in particular) are so self righteous that to even suggest doing something that they don't agree with then you will get slated for it. They only deal with black and white, there is no grey area with them. Just let them be and don't waste your time.

Its got nothing to do with that, I would expect more people than not, including prospective employers would be VERY against lying on your CV.

It's not even worth having a discussion about.

 

[gambitt]

Its got nothing to do with that, I would expect more people than not, including prospective employers would be VERY against lying on your CV.

It's not even worth having a discussion about.

Nice approach. You get to have your say on a discussion forum but then effectively put your hands over your ears when the other person wants to put their point across.

Of course blatant lies on your CV is daft but it's possible to word it in such a way that leaves it open to interpretation. Once you get into the interview then you elaborate on what you have written (with the truth obviously) if they ask.

Completely making up work experience or adding fake qualifications to a CV is a long way from saying you have 1 years experience with VMWare ESXi when in fact you've only virtualised a handful of servers in the last 6 months.

 

[Robbo]

Nice approach. You get to have your say on a discussion forum but then effectively put your hands over your ears when the other person wants to put their point across.

Of course blatant lies on your CV is daft but it's possible to word it in such a way that leaves it open to interpretation. Once you get into the interview then you elaborate on what you have written (with the truth obviously) if they ask.

Completely making up work experience or adding fake qualifications to a CV is a long way from saying you have 1 years experience with VMWare ESXi when in fact you've only virtualised a handful of servers in the last 6 months.

I'm not putting my hands over my ears at all, I'm just saying that lying on your CV to the extent turbotoaster was suggesting is just ridiculous.

Being proud about it and then slamming other people for NOT doing it and saying that they deserve unemployment is equally as stupid, thus why I have a strong suspicion he's just trolling.

To recap, the point that most of my posts have been referring to is this -

The CV is just to get your bum to the interview, lie all you want, 90% of my CV is complete false with jobs missing ive done, jobs ive never done and qualifications that dont exist.

Do you suggest these are not the ramblings of a complete idiot?