Nvidia Releasing Something Big???

p0rks0da · 12 Jul 2010 at 11:47

Nickg said:
they seem pretty quiet the 460s - but get one with an upgraded cooler not the standard one and you cant go far wrong.

performance is okay though, but the reviews i have seen are showing that the core wont really go much above 800-850...which is around 14800/15000 3dmark vantage.

im considering switching my gtx 470 for one...but the 470 stock beats all overclocked GTX 460.. and i can easily overclock my gtx470 to 800 core too, which puts my 3dmark vantage above 16,000.

If you are buying a card for benching Vantage, and your existing card gets a bigger number, then you would be silly to upgrade. GTX460 SLI would be the logical choice if you want to upgrade now, or wait a little while for the full GF104 to come out and replace the GTX470 altogether.

The Running Man · 12 Jul 2010 at 11:50

well technically i only got my gtx470 on friday and can take it back for a refund until 7 days are up.

so im in a no money loss position on it, im thinking take back, swap for a gtx460 OC and save myself £70-80 for 10% worse performance?!?!

but i cant decide what to do with it:/

RavenXXX2 · 12 Jul 2010 at 11:51

Keep the 470, more vram and better tessellation performance.

p0rks0da · 12 Jul 2010 at 11:56

Nickg said:
well technically i only got my gtx470 on friday and can take it back for a refund until 7 days are up.

so im in a no money loss position on it, im thinking take back, swap for a gtx460 OC and save myself £70-80 for 10% worse performance?!?!

but i cant decide what to do with it:/

Oh in that case i might be inclined to swap it out, but really it's up to you. How much did you pay for the GTX470? If it was the best part of £300, you could add another ~£60 and go GTX460 1GB SLI for ~5970 speed at stock clocks

The Running Man · 12 Jul 2010 at 12:03

ya its a tough call really, i pay £260 for it...

but yes Raven, the gtx470 is a better part with more cores/tesselation etc

it just gets toasty at 93 degrees!!

i dont have an SLi mobo P0rk so im in for a 1 card solution. i only really play Company of Heroes...but even with the gtx470 i cant get 60fps constantly with everything set to ultra!! rgrg1!!

oh btw i have a native res of 1080p 24" tft and i dont want to reduce res to play!

Rhys-M · 12 Jul 2010 at 12:05

I can see this having a knock on effect with other cards. More competition is a good thing, because we all remember what happened last time, when there was only 1 big player.

RavenXXX2 · 12 Jul 2010 at 12:08

Well certainly the 460 runs a lot cooler and with significantly less power draw even when overclocked. If you're willing to overclock the 460 then it maybe a good decision to go with one, more so considering the games you play.

thingemajib · 12 Jul 2010 at 13:37

well this is good. well priced, good performance, very good noise/temps.

however, im still sticking with ati, as the 460 still guzzles power too much under load.

bring on the price drops

drunkenmaster · 12 Jul 2010 at 14:49

Its better, but still not a great card, considering the 4870 launched at £180ish, and a 5770 beats it for £120ish or so, thats what you expect from a "new gen" card. A 460gtx doesn't beat a 275gtx often enough, and considering it costs about the same, and the 275gtx is really just a 2 year old slightly tweaked design, its not particularly good that they need such a huge core to get that level of performance. It does beat the 5770 by more than I thought it would, but its still not cheap enough, if/when people ignore the 5850 long enough for retailers to start selling at RRP, a 5850 is 30% ahead in many situations, for what is the same RRP in the uk.

The only time a 460gtx looks like a great card finally from Nvidia, is compared to a 5830, which has, and always will be the worst card AMD have produced for years.

Will be interesting in a week or two, to see how much it costs vs a 5770/5850 in the states, at £200 in the uk its not a good price in the slightest, if its actually $200 in the states, and significantly cheaper than the rrp of a 5850, it might be a good card.

layte · 12 Jul 2010 at 15:00

For people willing to go down the multi card route SLI 460's offer performance that AMD are unable to match at the price. The Anand review shows it giving the much more expensive 5970 a good run for its money, beating it in some tests, but losing in others. It looks like Nvidia have a viable chip to produce a 5970 beating card.

p0rks0da · 12 Jul 2010 at 15:06

drunkenmaster said:
Will be interesting in a week or two, to see how much it costs vs a 5770/5850 in the states, at £200 in the uk its not a good price in the slightest, if its actually $200 in the states, and significantly cheaper than the rrp of a 5850, it might be a good card.

GTX460 768MB = $199/£160
GTX460 1GB = $229/£190

The above £ prices are from the store here, the $ are from Newegg. You can find both for £150 and £180 though at another retailer.

The £199 GTX460 1GB Palit card sold here is 800mhz, that's solidly above the performance of the 5850 and it's £33 cheaper than the cheapest 5850 in stock.

richb93 · 12 Jul 2010 at 15:22

Looks like NVIDIA are back in the game. Waiting for ATi's next move though

shadow_boxer · 12 Jul 2010 at 15:24

I don't prices of 460 series will change much over the next few weeks, as for 5830..it should come down a little.

milkinc13 · 12 Jul 2010 at 15:33

jigger said:
Its an offical apology.

for fermi.

Isn't Nvidia due another 8800 refresh soon, so is that the big news?

drunkenmaster · 12 Jul 2010 at 15:53

p0rks0da said:
GTX460 768MB = $199/£160
GTX460 1GB = $229/£190

The above £ prices are from the store here, the $ are from Newegg. You can find both for £150 and £180 though at another retailer.

The £199 GTX460 1GB Palit card sold here is 800mhz, that's at or even above the performance of the 5850 and it's £43 cheaper than the cheapest 5850 in stock.

Have to say, thats far better than I expected, but keep two things in mind, the 5850 were £200 at launch, the rrp is £200, and I got a stock one for £200, and a asus cu one months later for £215, theres never been a time I couldn't find one for £215 in the uk since launch.

As for the speed, the 460gtx overclocked simply doesn't beat the 5850 in all game, the 5850 is 20-30% ahead in some games, and the main problem for Nvidia, the 5850 is massively underclocked at stock and overclocks fantastically(if you get a voltage adjustable one, which all for 3-4 months were). The 5850, easily overclocks by 30%, and quite a lot overclock by 40%, they are immense overclockers, at £200, a 5850 craps all over a stock 460gtx, and both overclocked, the gap is bigger. Its a better card than the 465-480gtx, but its still a ways behind the 5850 on value.

The upshot is retailers should be forced to finally sell at a "fair" price, IE, the price they should do, which means £200 5850's for all, at that price you'd still be mad to go for Nvidia, at £160 it is approaching being a trully excellent cheap performance card, but its still not stunning performance for a similar price to last gen. They'd normally be looking to get 260-275gtx performance, at the same price point of the 5770, so 10% less performance but £40 cheaper would have been the normal goal.

I'd love to know what die size/yields are vs the 275-285gtx though, its 35% smaller than a GF100, so yields and cores per wafer will be well up, I'm not sure theres an awful lot of profit on it, people seem to constantly miss that the 5870 is highly profitable, the 5850 is a fairly low profit part.

It should be even if not a massive profit, at least some, which makes it a massive success compared to GF100 cores, which cost a bomb to make, with crap yields and no profit despite the cost.

I really am very impressed, they actually learnt something on this gen for a change, made tweaks and got a massively higher performance/transistor part out. Even if its not beating a 5850 on price performance, at least its in the ball park and competitive, GF100 wasn't even close.

Also Nvidia(or partners, not sure) should be commended for using heatsinks with proper fans, since blowers became popular I've been telling everyone they are just crap, my 5850 from stock to a heatsink with a proper fan on(thats quieter) dropped 40C under load.

RavenXXX2 · 12 Jul 2010 at 15:56

That's where Nvidia wins a big thumbs up from me, they don't limit overclocking potential on their cards unlike ATI who set restrictions on how far you can clock in the bios.

Allnamestaken · 12 Jul 2010 at 15:59

Finally!!! Nvidia is back on there game!!! After a long period of hate!

This is a good midrange priced card with amazing performance as im seing all over the place from reviews. Good stuff some competetive pricing too finally lets see how ati n nvidia battle it out over the next 6 months.

The whole graphics card market was going stagnant for a while lol.

Klo · 12 Jul 2010 at 16:19

Whilst I'm glad there is competition, I think people are congratulating Nvidia a bit too much. They are 6 months or whatever late to party after all, they should have better tech for lower prices after that.

Dark_Angel · 12 Jul 2010 at 16:36

Is there a rough date other than Q4 for the new ATI cards? I really am considering upgrading, but I'll be a bit

if in 3 weeks time I hear news of the new ATI / NV cards.

p0rks0da · 12 Jul 2010 at 17:03

drunkenmaster said:
As for the speed, the 460gtx overclocked simply doesn't beat the 5850 in all game, the 5850 is 20-30% ahead in some games, and the main problem for Nvidia, the 5850 is massively underclocked at stock and overclocks fantastically(if you get a voltage adjustable one, which all for 3-4 months were). The 5850, easily overclocks by 30%, and quite a lot overclock by 40%, they are immense overclockers, at £200, a 5850 craps all over a stock 460gtx, and both overclocked, the gap is bigger. Its a better card than the 465-480gtx, but its still a ways behind the 5850 on value.

But the overclocked GTX460 beats the 5850 by a big margin in some games too, and even beats the 5870 in some! I don't doubt that some of the 5850's clock really well, but do all 5850's really clock to ~942 (30%) on the core easily? And even if they do, isn't that only just matching a 5870 (with a decent memory overclock thrown in)? I distinctly remember reading posts here that a lot of the 5850's that were non-reference actually overclocked fairly poorly.

And a lot of them clock to 1015 (40%)? I won't argue that i've seen several people with 1000+ core overclocks in their sigs, but is it really a lot of them?

I'm glad you like many aspects of the GTX460, seems the vast majority (press and punter alike) think they're awesome, but i'm not sure you're being totally accurate about the performance comparisons.