Poll: Oppression Via circumcision

Are you for or against male circumcision?

  • For

    Votes: 44 14.1%

  • Against

    Votes: 159 51.1%

  • Pancake.

    Votes: 108 34.7%
  • Total voters
    311
sigma said:
So because the child can't object to it, it's OK because the parents want it? :confused:
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I never said that.

You could extend this argument to citizenship and many other 'unfair' parts of life.

You could live in Africa and be a child/woman and have your clitoris ripped off to ensure you cannot enjoy an orgasm.

What I am saying is there is a lot worse that could happen in life than something that when you are older you will not even remember being done.

When did your parents ask you if you actually wanted to be born/take part in life?

What are you going to do about that?
 
I wasn't suggesting that would be the case for medical reasons. Surely the child/person should have some say in having their 'skin removed for religious or whatever reason?


Biohazard said:
What I am saying is there is a lot worse that could happen in life than something that when you are older you will not even remember being done.
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Doesn't make it any better though does it? What if the child didn't want it?

Biohazard said:
When did your parents ask you if you actually wanted to be born/take part in life?
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That makes no sense.


I'd be pretty annoyed if my parents decided to give me the chop because it fits in with their ideals, without giving me a choice, after all, it's my pen0r!
 
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Spawn,

Admiting openly that you will, or will arange for someone else to, mutilate young boys.

What the hell are you doing? There is no possible way that it is not Mutilation, and not child abuse.

You are inflicting unessecary pain and suffering upon someone who us unable to defend themselves from your, or someone else's assault.

I garentee that when you do what you say you will do, that the child WILL scream, and if you look into its eyes you WILL see pain.

Put your religion aside and think about someone other than yourself for one moment, as doing such for entirely selfish reasons is nothing more than barbarism.

You should not be allowed children if you continue as you are.
 
sigma said:
Doesn't make it any better though does it? What if the child didn't want it?
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As a baby?

Well how are you going to ask?



sigma said:
That makes no sense.
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It makes every sense it is just an extension of your argument.

What if your life is crap, when did you get asked if you want to participate in the game of life? Or be in existance itself?

Many descisions in the start of your life have very little to do with you being asked. Being born, religion, schooling etc.




sigma said:
I'd be pretty annoyed if my parents decided to give me the chop because it fits in with their ideals, without giving me a choice, after all, it's my pen0r!
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Me too, but it hasn't happened to me. I am sure plenty men are happy with the body they have grown up with too had they had this procedure as a child. Some perhaps not, but what do you really want to happen here?
 
I had it when I was young (between 2 and 4..can't remember) and it was due to a problem with the foreskin.

I was only embarrassed about it when I was in high school early on but after a few girlfriends and lots of sex that came with those relationships..I literally have no idea why anyone would find it strange..because the girls didn't! ..Isn't that the only thing that matters?

I hate religion full stop so talking about it in those terms is redundant for me personally.

I have to agree with some of the people who have tried to educate a few others here, it's hardly like your bell-end is cut off. It doesn't hurt or annoy you because it's less sensitive but at the same time, you still get great pleasure from sex etc.
 
Spawn said:
Hopefully that wil never happen as it will give into individuals such as yourself who feel the need to dictate what people can or cant do, whether it be religious or non religious reasons.
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So you're saying we should allow people to murder, rape and abuse kids because the Qur'an says so and making them illegal is dictatorship, wonderful.
 
I suppose when people first decided to have men Circumstised was because they lived in very hot countrys and didnt want to get sand trapped in their Bell End.

I believe that the practise of Circumstision originated in India and then Branched out to the surrounding countries like Afghanistan Iraq Israel and Aberystwyth.
 
Spawn said:
Thats your opinion and your entitled to it as much as i am entitled to mine...child abuse still cant stop laughing in all honesty...and thankfully the govt or authtorities wont ever ban it.
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So why is inflicting pain and cutting off the foreskin fine but inflicting pain and cutting off any other part of the body not? Intentionally hurting your child to satisfy a tradition is horrible.
 
do guys with foreskin roll it back before taking a pee?

im just curious, all my life i never thought about it and recently i have had to start rolling it back so that my aim is true and it doesn't spray... always slightly worried i had done something to it during sex or MMA or something.
 
Citizen420 said:
do guys with foreskin roll it back before taking a pee?

im just curious, all my life i never thought about it and recently i have had to start rolling it back so that my aim is true and it doesn't spray... always slightly worried i had done something to it during sex or MMA or something.
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only if it doesn't fit properly. For me anyway it doesn't get in the way.
 
I think there are far worse things a parent can choose do to their child, like a choice (or lack of) school, what they buy them, what they allow them to do, than having them circumcised.

I question some of the language used in this thread: 'child abuse', 'mutiliation' etc. It's a foreskin, not an ear or a finger. I don't necessarily advocate it; I've posted my experience earlier in the thread. There are, however, some very strong (and misinformed) opinions throughout this thread. Unfortunately for some, I feel, it's based purely on a dislike of religion.

[/devils advocate]
 
Biohazard said:
As a baby?

Well how are you going to ask?


My point exactly, you should wait until you can ask!


It makes every sense it is just an extension of your argument.

What if your life is crap, when did you get asked if you want to participate in the game of life? Or be in existance itself?

If your life is crap you can always end it. How you can compare birth to the cutting of a foreskin is beyond me but I'll agree with you for the sake of it, it makes perfect sense.



Me too, but it hasn't happened to me. I am sure plenty men are happy with the body they have grown up with too had they had this procedure as a child. Some perhaps not, but what do you really want to happen here?

Parents being told to wait (unless it's a medical condition) until the child is old enough to be explained what is going to happen and why.
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My argument is not aimed specifically at muslims, Americans are equally as bad IMO.
 
That I feel you are making too much out of this for some reason.

Lots happen to us as kids, far more life changing than losing a flap of skin, that we have no input into what so ever.
 
sigma said:
What gives you the right to decide whether your child has a foreskin or not?
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Me being a parent is what right i have until they have grown up and can make decisions for themselves ie take responsibility for their actions...up until that age i shall do what i please with them...even if it means chopping a flap of skin off which really serves no purpose.
 
Syph said:
I think there are far worse things a parent can choose do to their child, like a choice (or lack of) school, what they buy them, what they allow them to do, than having them circumcised.
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The good old "Two Wrongs Make a Right" fallacy.

I question some of the language used in this thread: 'child abuse', 'mutiliation' etc. It's a foreskin, not an ear or a finger.
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Look at the definition of mutilate,

"Disfigurement or injury by removal or destruction of a conspicuous or essential part of the body."

"To disfigure by damaging irreparably."

"To make imperfect by excising or altering parts."

And the definition of child abuse by the WHO,

"Physical abuse
Physical abuse of a child is that which results in actual or potential physical harm from an interaction or lack of an interaction, which is reasonably within the control of a parent or person in a position of responsibility, power or trust. There may be a single or repeated incidents. "

Circumcision easily meets those criteria. As well as being a violation of human rights.

Spawn said:
flap of skin off which really serves no purpose.
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Please educate yourself on the function of the foreskin, it evolved for a reason.
 
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