Why is Racism Unacceptable but Homophobia is Acceptable?

Ironhide said:
Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."

I'm fairly sure saying homosexuals should be dead counts as homophobia... however there are several hundred ridiculous statements like this in the Bible.
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Since when did you read the bible?:p
 
matthewhotdude said:
Where did I mention the pope in that post??
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you did in the opening post.....so what are we talking about GD or outdoors in the real world ?
both have different rules and acceptability....for example using the N word here seems perfectly fine but wouldnt be advisible outdoors, you could get seriously hurt.
 
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britboy4321 said:
Well this is just like everything else.

If I said I liked eating catfood, people would be like 'it's wrong, but whatever'. If I said I liked eating poo, people would be rather shocked and appalled.

Is the question basically 'why are their different levels of shockability, with different wrong things'?
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It's not really the same though is it, because one is commenting on ethnic origins, cultures and birth rights and freedoms.

The other is a matter of eating disgusting things out of choice.

There's not really any similarity between the two.

At all.
 
Davies_M said:
I think they mean your book which preaches it to be a sin and bla bla.
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Really, why should it matter to gay people whether a book that almost certainly doesn't affect them directly says that homosexuality is a sin?

If someone feels hate toward gay people, they can easily work that out without being told by a book. It's just a shame that some people use it as an excuse for the way that they behave.

The bible teaches that it is most important to love one another as yourself, and hating someone because they're homosexual is in direct contradiction of this. It's often the militant ones on both sides that cause almost all of the trouble.
 
matthewhotdude said:
And before anyone starts wailing about 'homophobia isn't acceptable' you only have to look at the likes of the pope or other religious entities to see that it is.

Well? I would like a sensible answer.
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Homophobia goes against what many people see as 'natural law', being a different colour or creed does not. (I don't share this view)

The church, especially the Catholic church simply state that Homosexual activity is sinful, much the same way as they say sex out of wedlock is sinful and contraception is sinful and so on. Just because you disagree with a lifesyle choice doesn't make you homophobic, unless you specifically target that group unfairly and with malice.

Neither Racism or Homophobia is acceptable, but both are common instituionally and publicly.


also the OP is a rip off of another one on another forum, even the wording is the same.
 
TangoSixteen said:
When I was a kid we used to refer to the local newsagent as the "**** shop" and the local Chinese takeaway as "Chinky"

So for instance...

"What u doing for tea tonight buddy?"

"Just off down the Chinky for a sweet and sour!"


There was no racism intended in either of these uses. More just accepted shorthand.

I think people who shout racism are only offended when it suits them.

If people were GENUINELY racist then the "**** shop" or the "chinky" probably wouldnt have any windows left, and people wouldnt be going in there and giving them their money.

In addition, we always used gay in a derogatory manner as children, christ, even I do now...

I regularly call my friends poofs, faggots, ladies etc, its all just part of the banter and people seem to get confused between this and actual Homophobia.

Homophobia to me would me a gay guy getting set upon by a gang of youths, perhaps ending up in hospital with no teeth.

Other people seem to think over hearing a conversation where someone even dares to mention the word gay as Homophobic... Where is the line drawn?
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This always interests me how some words end up becoming racially degrogatory even though they were never intended to be. After all **** is just short for Pakistani, same as Brit is short for British, Scot is short for Scottish.

At some point along the line the word has been use offensively or someone has taken offence to it, and then it is considered an offensive word.

Another example, how is coloured any more offensive than black? Neither accurately describes a persons skin tone or is particularly offensive, but one has been associated with a derogatory outlook (coloured - you should be white but you have been coloured in) and now is deemed offensive.
 
Ironhide said:
Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death."

I'm fairly sure saying homosexuals should be dead counts as homophobia... however there are several hundred ridiculous statements like this in the Bible.
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So be happy chritians don't go around killing homosexuals... damn nothings good enough for you people :p
 
Society is becoming more tolerant of life beyond the mainstream as time goes on. People weren't able to hide the fact they were of a different ethnicity, so race as an issue was dealt with first. Homosexuality is less obvious and it will take a little longer for those who practise it to be treated equally.

It will hopefully not be too long before society regards every human as equal, regardless of gender, race, nationality, sexuality etc., and afford them all the same freedoms and responsibilities.
 
TangoSixteen said:
When I was a kid we used to refer to the local newsagent as the "**** shop" and the local Chinese takeaway as "Chinky"

So for instance...

"What u doing for tea tonight buddy?"

"Just off down the Chinky for a sweet and sour!"


There was no racism intended in either of these uses. More just accepted shorthand.

I think people who shout racism are only offended when it suits them.

If people were GENUINELY racist then the "**** shop" or the "chinky" probably wouldnt have any windows left, and people wouldnt be going in there and giving them their money.

In addition, we always used gay in a derogatory manner as children, christ, even I do now...

I regularly call my friends poofs, faggots, ladies etc, its all just part of the banter and people seem to get confused between this and actual Homophobia.

Homophobia to me would me a gay guy getting set upon by a gang of youths, perhaps ending up in hospital with no teeth.

Other people seem to think over hearing a conversation where someone even dares to mention the word gay as Homophobic... Where is the line drawn?
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Same for me

I often use the word "GAY" for the xxxxx is rubbish or broken
 
danza said:
Why is it that religion is usually touted as the main forum for homophobia? It really isn't like that where I'm from and around the people I go to church with. Homosexuality is obviously not openly encouraged by the church, but for crying out loud don't think that we don't like gay people. That's almost as draconian an outlook as that of outwardly homophobic people. There are a few vocal people who tarnish the reputation of the majority, and often in a really unreasonable, unfair way with respect to homosexuals.

A person is a person, whether they're gay/black/white/green/whatever.

You could look at it from the other side and see that there are a few militant homosexuals that give the rest a less than favourable reputation with certain people.

To reiterate - I'm a Christian, and have no problem with you if you're gay. I know of a couple of hundred other Christians with the same outlook, and I know there are many more.
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There is the whole stoning them to death thing....
 
Because race is something you are born with and cannot be changed. You aren't born homosexual, it is a choice and as most choices in life, peoples choices get critisised.
 
danza said:
Really, why should it matter to gay people whether a book that almost certainly doesn't affect them directly says that homosexuality is a sin?

If someone feels hate toward gay people, they can easily work that out without being told by a book. It's just a shame that some people use it as an excuse for the way that they behave.

The bible teaches that it is most important to love one another as yourself, and hating someone because they're homosexual is in direct contradiction of this. It's often the militant ones on both sides that cause almost all of the trouble.
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I refuse to turn this into a religious thread, but the fact that so many worship the words this book preaches is unnerving to say the least. Even if they are anti-homosexual due to reasons other than the book, why is it wrong for them to use the book as evidence? Christians use the book for evidence of what society deems acceptable, why is it wrong for them to do the exact same thing with that society doesn't think is acceptable?

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Nath, don't go claiming that as fact...
 
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