Again what is the research and what's it's validation. Links means nothing and is usually means it is statistical analysis and nothing else.
So you going to avoid iodine and every other chemical. They are all poisons.
What is the highest fluoride toothpaste available?
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Again what is the research and what's it's validation. Links means nothing and is usually means it is statistical analysis and nothing else.
So you going to avoid iodine and every other chemical. They are all poisons.
Which is good enough reason no to routinely add it to food, especially without proper labeling.
The National Research Council's scientific review into the EPA's fluoridation program as part of it's safe water standard should be considered.
http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/epa/nrc/excerpts.html
It found that the flouridation of water supplies can lead to adverse health problems in some people.
There is the Precautionary principle set forth in the Journal of Evidence Based Dental Practice in 2006 which stated:
But all these things set aside, the main reason I am against adding fluoride to water when it has no effect on the improved safety of Tap Water (unlike Chorine for example) for consumption is that I cannot choose another Tap-Water if I choose not to access the (questionable) medical benefits of fluoridated tap-water.
Also when there is any question at all over the adverse effects of flouride in the water then it should not be instituted until more research is done.
IIRC it is labelled as containing MSG as are nuts. Shall we ban nuts in food?
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I am merely arguing stupid statements like it's a poison, well yeah most things are.
Look - I can't be bothered to argue with you about it or sit here providing links for you.
You're obviously not thinking about this logically or you wouldn't be throwing up iodine as an argument for ingesting toxic, un-natural chemicals that have no place in the human body when iodine is necessary for the normal functioning of the human body.
Your time would be better spent finding out how to ingest more iodine than arguing the good and bad of ingesting fluoride and MSG.
I've done enough research myself in the past which has made it clear to me that both MSG and Fluoride are to be avoided. Iodine is a different story altogether and it's unlikely you are getting enough.
If you wish to continue to ingest these toxins then so be it. I hope they do not cause you any health problems in the future.
I am not arguing for it being banned, only that you asked for scientific studies as to it's adverse effects and I supplied some.
It is not always the case that MSG is labelled, especially in restaurants.
I agree though that CT and some of the ranting about poisons is simply stupid.
read above post, you have to look at what the research actually shows.
Something we can agree on.
MSG is not the same thing that naturally occurrs in seaweed. Glutamic acid is the naturally occurring amino acid you are referring to.
MSG is Free-glutamic acid, a processed un-natural excito neuro-toxin.
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Well that only shows what a panels opinon is on the research rather than what it actually shows.
The link between excessive MSG intake and Obesity is reason enough to enforce food labelling so that people can make that choice themselves.
Plenty of things considered safe are not if taken to excess, so all I am supporting is clear food labelling, and not only for MSG.
Indeed. I simply don't agree with adding anything unneccessarily, be it Fluoride to water or MSG to food.
It shows what the research shows, extremely high levels in rats can alter the brain, the research can't show any thing else as that's all the research tested for.
You have been reading too much from Dr Russell Blaylock MD. His research is not accepted by concensus among his peers.
This is also the same Doctor who said the H1N1 vaccine was more dangerous than the Swine Flu itself, and that Sucralose and Aspartame are toxic and cause Multiple Sclerosis.
Having said that Glutamates are known excitotoxins and can cause neurological damage in some people, those with compromised blood-brain barriers, but there is no reliable statisitcal evidence to suggest that MSG, which is a naturally occuring salt of the amino acid Glutamic Acid is inherently dangerous to the vast majority of people.
I support food labelling of MSG, as it is a non-essential amino acid additive and because some may be more sensitive than others or be compromised in some way to the adverse effects of glutamates as an excitotoxin.
But it is not an un-natural poison as you are suggesting. You are simply mis-informed.
The research was on People, not Rats:
http://download.journals.elsevierhealth.com/pdfs/journals/0091-6749/PIIS0091674997800085.pdf
The research found a link between MSG and certain symptoms refered to Chinese Restaurant Syndrome, one strong enough that that the FDA changed the designation to MSG Syndrome Complex.
http://www.medicineonline.com/articles/M/2/MSG-Symptom-Complex/Chinese-Restaurant-Syndrome.html
This is reason enough to make sure that MSG is clearly labelled on all foods however sourced.
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I was referring to the other one about brain cell reactions, which was done on rats.
As I said it merely shows a minor allergic reaction, which has never been life threatening unlike, nuts/latex ect. Minor allergens are not included in the allergy box as people can and are allergic to everything and anything. It is only allergens with a high risk that are included.
MSG is a food enhancer and has to be included on the label. Either as it's name or E621.
Restaurants/takeaways are different as they do not have to label ingredients.
Something that kills brain cells and is usually the product of a manufacturing process I would term as an un-natural poison. But horses for courses, if you want to call it a natural flavor enhancer, spices, yeast extract or whatever then be my guest. I'll be avoiding it either way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excitotoxicity
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And in very high concentrations. as we keep saying everything is a poison in high enough concentrations.
But it does belie the assertion that MSG is harmless, it would entirely be subjective to what you describe as harmful.
An allergic reaction is that a reaction, it is harmless. Unless you can show anyone that has gone into anaphylactic shock.
It is not going to kill you or have any long term effects, in normal consumption quantities. Again unless there is any research that I have not read, certainly nothing in this thread suggest otherwise.
Anything can be a poison in high enough quantities and anything can produce an allergic reaction.
Wrong. These days it is now put on the label as yeast extract as well as many other things.
http://www.naturalnews.com/019355.html
Good luck with avoiding all glutamates in food. I would assume you eat a protein free diet and avoid all types of wheat product, dairy products, and so on through about 80% of all food groups. You do realise that glutamates are present in all living cells?
Not much fun considering 95% of all dietary glutamates including MSG are metabolised by intestinal cells in a first pass, and thus getting nowhere near the brain in the first place.
read what it says they are not using MSG, they are using yeast extract.