I'm sick of foreign people

[Macro]

The UK suffers from all of the problems of extremely poor integration of foreign nationals.

It's not that they're foreign which is the problem, it's that they're not integrated.

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Edit: To clarify my position, one of my parents is an immigrant (Irish). Would you know it if you spoke to him or myself? No. We're integrated. We're not clinging to some stereotypical notion of Irishness and have fully embraced the 'When In Rome' attitude to living in a different country.
I'm not so bigoted and hateful that I would willfully impose my outside values on a country which has so graciously accepted me.

Common sense for the win! For what it's worth the same would apply to British ex pats who go to Spain (for a great European example)/wherever and live in "ex pat" communities refusing to speak the local language or embrace local laws, culture, food and community.

Britain is, and always has been a "mongrel" nation made up of a potent mix of what we should like to think of as the best that the world has to offer, Celts, Saxons, Angles, Jutes, Britons, Danes, Romans, Normans, Huguenots, Russian, Polish, Indian, West Indian... the list goes on having started thousands of years ago. Frankly I tend to think taking the best of each racial/national group is what has historically made Britain a strong and diverse trading and military power over the years (you can disagree with Britain's imperial past but at least set it in the context of the morals and norms of the time, not todays).

Having said that, I can understand why people resent immigrants that chose to live in concentrated communities based around their country of origin refusing to embrace the culture of the country they've decided to build their future in.

To be stereotypically British I'd say if nothing else it's "damned rude", no matter what country you originate from or chose to live in.

Unfortunately it looks like the hysteria in this thread has precluded any possibility of a sensible discussion

 

[Vonhelmet]

Still waiting for you to tackle the meat of my post instead of making a few childish comments that my grandchild could have made.

Your complaint is that with all the foreigners and their jibber jabber, you are prohibited from being English. I would like to know which aspects of your Englishness are being impinged upon.

Nice ad hominem by the way. And ad rolleyesium too.

 

[greywolf]

Dads Army, whilst being a comedy I've always thought gave a nice portrail of Englishness. Hard to describe in words as such.

 

[Shakeel]

Still waiting for you to tackle the meat of my post instead of making a few childish comments that my grandchild could have made.

youre a granddad! i thought you were like 17-18. ( going of a few post you have made, no offence)

 

[Vidar]

I've got to say that most of you people make me absolutley sick!!! And by that I mean those who spout the utter rubbish that the OP is simply a Racist Biggot...

As for the No insults who dismissed someones opinion simply because they made a few spelling mistakes is an utter disgrace!

In my opinion those who dismiss the fact that there are racial tensions in this country are blinded by a misguied sense of tolerance. The fact is believe it or not "Racism" is not just caused by white people...

I'm a 27 year old white male and have been the target of racist remarks and actions on several occasions from being threatened by an ex girlfriends family with death because I'm a white man and not a Pakistani to being chased by a gang of Somali guys because I happened to walk through a certain area of Liverpool at night...

Simply most immigrant workers to the UK have no intention of integrating with our society in any way, they want to remain in there own little units and have no outside influences some of which believe should include this country's laws and traditions...

The fact is any of you who have had no first hand experience of such matters should keep your mouths shut and stop taking everything you hear about or read about as gospel!

 

[Yamahahahahaha]

Show me where in what the OP said that says thay aren't integrating.

Presumably the parts about where the people are doing un-english things.

Athanor- Any sensible discussion of integration is always precluded by someone going "OMG THAT'S RACIST" before anyone has said anything.
Still, it's easier to divide people into a 'them and us' mentality than it is to actually address the issue of integration, what Britain is as a nation and what it stands for. Much easier to distract the peons with a "Hurr I don't like darkie" arguments than to have them turn on the toffs who are screwing us all, regardless of creed or colour

 

[Mr^B]

These threads are excellent entertainment, in terms of watching people expressing their opinions and then going silent when the basis for that opinion is undermined:

"White/British people are the minority"
*graph showing they are the majority*
*silence*

"It's illegal"
*not it's not*
*silence*

I eagerly await the "oh I had better things to be getting on with" or the "I was just playing devil's advocate" excuses, followed by completely ignoring any points made. Which is the trouble with internet forums, they're not really a good place for a discussion. They're a great place to reveal one's ignorance though.

 

[Vonhelmet]

As for the moron who dismissed someones opinion simply because they made a few spelling mistakes is an utter disgrace!

Cheers.

Also, I might be a bit hesitant to heed someone's comments on race relations when they go by the moniker "SKINHEAD".

 

[Twentyone]

Simply SOME immigrant workers to the UK have no intention of integrating with our society in any way

Also, I have had such experiences but I don't choose to tar everyone with the same brush.

 

[scrlk]

Would you classify my family as 'foreign' when they talk Vietnamese in public even though they are fluent in English, British citizens, have English friends/family and to my POV 'integrated'? Although I was born here and 'integrated', I will never forget where I came from/roots.

Just asking.

 

[Vidar]

Cheers.

Also, I might be a bit hesitant to heed someone's comments on race relations when they go by the moniker "SKINHEAD".

And I suppose because I work as a night club doorman that it means I have had no education and am simply a knuckle dragging thug who lives for fighting? Not just a bloke who is prepared to work in a dangerous environment so that he can provide as good a life for his family as possible and happens to like getting to meet a diverse range of people from many walks of life?

For someone who paint's themselves as an intellectual, Vonhelmet don't you think you are being just a little hypocritical?

 

[Sho]

What i would like to know, what do you class as foreign people?

The ones who jumped the bandwagon into this country as illegal? Doing all sorts? Not helping the economy, ******* the system up etc...

Or the ones who was born here? Went to school/college. Got a job etc.....

 

[Stag]

Unfortunately Cameron is no Thatcher.

Unfortunately? What on earth would Maggie do in our current situation? Destroy the heart of working class economies and self respect? Oh, she already did that...

To be fair to Maggie she at least did something that changed things, the coalition is just cutting public expenditure as it's focuses on our public debt.

 

[Vidar]

Would you classify my family as 'foreign' when they talk Vietnamese in public even though they are fluent in English, British citizens, have English friends/family and to my POV 'integrated'? Although I was born here and 'integrated', I will never forget where I came from/roots.

Just asking.

Slate me if you will but I would personally class you as foreign for lack of a better term, English of Vietnamese descent perhaps? that doesn't mean for one minute that I think you should be forced out of the country etc etc and I'm glad you are proud of your roots, Vietanm has a fascinating history and traditions etc in my opinion but then I doubt from your post that you want England to be anything other than England

 

[Linda]

My local Chinky has just been raided for using illegal immigrants.

Pain up the rear as they did nice food

I hope you realise there are a lot of "Chinky's" that read this forum and I am one of them, big love to this guy.

'You wan' fwy wice wi' your swee sour dog man'?

 

[TheCenturion]

I've got to say that most of you people make me absolutley sick!!! And by that I mean those who spout the utter rubbish that the OP is simply a Racist Biggot...

As for the moron who dismissed someones opinion simply because they made a few spelling mistakes is an utter disgrace!

In my opinion those who dismiss the fact that there are racial tensions in this country are blinded by a misguied sense of tolerance. The fact is believe it or not "Racism" is not just caused by white people...

I'm a 27 year old white male and have been the target of racist remarks and actions on several occasions from being threatened by an ex girlfriends family with death because I'm a white man and not a Pakistani to being chased by a gang of Somali guys because I happened to walk through a certain area of Liverpool at night...

Simply most immigrant workers to the UK have no intention of integrating with our society in any way, they want to remain in there own little units and have no outside influences some of which believe should include this country's laws and traditions...

The fact is any of you who have had no first hand experience of such matters should keep your mouths shut and stop taking everything you hear about or read about as gospel!

They have no intention of integrating? What are you talking about
I think that infact, you are judging a majority based on your experience of a minority. It's no fault of your own, because gangs of foreigners being aggressive stands out to people more than somebody who is 'intergrated' into society.

 

[Yamahahahahaha]

Would you classify my family as 'foreign' when they talk Vietnamese in public even though they are fluent in English, British citizens, have English friends/family and to my POV 'integrated'? Although I was born here and 'integrated', I will never forget where I came from/roots.

Just asking.

Therein lies the rub.
I would say because of the 'have English friends / family' that they probably are integrated.
Standard Brits are pretty blind to race if they can identify with said person.
Of course they'll interact with people of all different nationalities, but to be friends and invite them over to their houses is a different kettle of fish. An Englishman's home is his castle after all.

Of course you shouldn't forget your roots, nobody is asking you to. I know where both sides of my family are from and all their history, that is part of who I am.

I have Indian friends who are so achingly British it's almost to the point of cliché, a hundred times moreso than me. It's hilarious that they're often the most well spoken in a room full of people.

Edit: I'm still not sure about the whole thing of speaking Vietnamese in public, but I guess as immigrants it's to be expected. As a 1st generation Brit, would you do the same out of habit?

 

[Vonhelmet]

And I suppose because I work as a night club doorman that it means I have had no education and am simply a knuckle dragging thug who lives for fighting? Not just a bloke who is prepared to work in a dangerous environment so that he can provide as good a life for his family as possible and happens to like getting to meet a diverse range of people from many walks of life?

Given that I didn't know anything about your profession until now, and thus didn't cast any aspersions based on it, I'd say you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder about it, probably because other people have judged you for it, rightly or wrongly, in the past.

Anyway. You know as well as I do that the term "skinhead" has extremely negative connotations when it comes to issues of race.

 

[Vonhelmet]

Edit: I'm still not sure about the whole thing of speaking Vietnamese in public, but I guess as immigrants it's to be expected. As a 1st generation Brit, would you do the same out of habit?

My mum is Finnish and if she's around other Finns in the UK, then she'd speak Finnish first and English second, unless the conversation required that other English folk understand it. After all, it's the language that comes most naturally to her, so why not?

Mind you, it helps that she's white, so most people wouldn't know she was foreign until she started talking another language.

 

[Stag]