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i7 930 vs 1090T Black Edition
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HAHAHAHA!!!! Nice pic!!
It is going to be mainly used for gaming at 1920x1080
I am looking to spend about £1500 on the whole build and both will be OCed to around the 4.0Ghz Mark. As the build price is quite high SSD etc are all gonna be on there!
Hey Madals,
- It is going to be mainly used for gaming at 1920x1080
- I am looking to spend about £1500 on the whole build
- will be OCed to around the 4.0Ghz Mark.
I suspect your trying to talk-the-talk but actually you don't really understand what your doing and have been listening to other people who don't really know what they are doing and making it sound very exciting so your gonna do it anyway!
While gaming at 1920x1080 the bottleneck is the GPU and not the CPU at all . . . £1500 is just ridiculously OTT for such a meagre requirement as "Gaming" . . .
Are you intending to run a multiGPU setup? . . if not a 4GHz processor is just not needed for you to chill out and get "stunning" gaming performance? . . . why don't you spend your money on the hardware you actually "need" instead of being in a rush to blow 1.5K
A lot of this is over my head big.wayne.
The set up of the whole computer will probably end up being a 60GB SSD (corsair) with a 500GB HDD for other junk. A single GTX470 (or ati 5870) with another being added at a later date (PSU + mobo will be able to handle SLI/xfire) - The main reason to be blowing 1500 on the system is to try and get something that will last as long as possible, at the moment I have the spare cash laying around but I will be starting university next year so will be strapped for cash and therefore wont be looking for a new computer for about 5 years. I understand that is a long period of time to go without new hardware, but that is why I want to push the mark now in the hope that it will be more useful than a brick for gaming in years to come!
My concern with CPU is mainly from my current PC - I spent about £2k on it (gaming xps laptop) and the cpu has always been the weak point on the system (its a core duo) and is what is really causing me to need a new system. Hope I am making some sense!
The set up of the whole computer will probably end up being a 60GB SSD (corsair) with a 500GB HDD for other junk. A single GTX470 (or ati 5870) with another being added at a later date (PSU + mobo will be able to handle SLI/xfire) - The main reason to be blowing 1500 on the system is to try and get something that will last as long as possible, at the moment I have the spare cash laying around but I will be starting university next year so will be strapped for cash and therefore wont be looking for a new computer for about 5 years. I understand that is a long period of time to go without new hardware, but that is why I want to push the mark now in the hope that it will be more useful than a brick for gaming in years to come!
My concern with CPU is mainly from my current PC - I spent about £2k on it (gaming xps laptop) and the cpu has always been the weak point on the system (its a core duo) and is what is really causing me to need a new system. Hope I am making some sense!
If you spec this:
"Ultima Raptor" AMD Phenom II X6 Six Core 1090T Black Edition 3.20GHz @ 4.00GHz DDR3 System
System Specification
- Case: Antec Dark Fleet DF85 Gaming Case - Black
- Power Supply: Corsair Extreme 600W
- CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 Six Core 1090T Black Edition 3.20Ghz overclocked to 4.00Ghz
- Motherboard: Asus Crosshair IV Formula 890FX
- Cooler: Corsair H50 CPU Cooler (H70 option available)
- RAM: Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz
- Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 16MB Cache
- Graphics Card: Choice of the latest DX11 graphics cards
- Sound: 7.1 Channel Sound (On-Board)
- Optical Drive: LG DVD+/-RW SATA Drive
Or this
"Ultima Viper" Intel Core i7 930 2.80GHz @ 4.00GHz DDR3 System
System Specification
- Case: Antec 902 Ultimate Gaming Case - Black
- Power Supply: Corsair TX 650W ATX SLi Compliant Power Supply
- CPU: Intel Core i7 930 2.80GHz Overclocked to 4.00GHz
- Motherboard: Gigabyte EX58A-UD3R Intel X58 (Socket 1366) PCI-Express DDR3 Motherboard
- Cooler: Prolimatech Megahalems Rev B CPU Cooler with 2000RPM Sharkoon Silent Eagle 120mm
- RAM: Corsair XMS3 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 (1600MHz) Tri-Channel
- Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB SATA-II 32MB Cache
- Graphics Card: Choice of the latest graphics cards
- Sound: Realtek ALC889 7.1 Channel Sound (On-Board)
- Optical Drive: LG DVD+/-RW SATA Drive
Add 60gb Corsair SSD, Cooler, Win 7 and a GTX 480 they both come to under £1500 and will be killer systems for quite a few years, the main thing to try and get the best you can would be the GPU, and a GPU of that power should last quite a while.
Intel build would be better for SLI in the future though, don't think the AMD mobo supports SLI, someone else would have to confirm that or not.
"Ultima Raptor" AMD Phenom II X6 Six Core 1090T Black Edition 3.20GHz @ 4.00GHz DDR3 System
System Specification
- Case: Antec Dark Fleet DF85 Gaming Case - Black
- Power Supply: Corsair Extreme 600W
- CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 Six Core 1090T Black Edition 3.20Ghz overclocked to 4.00Ghz
- Motherboard: Asus Crosshair IV Formula 890FX
- Cooler: Corsair H50 CPU Cooler (H70 option available)
- RAM: Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz
- Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 500GB 16MB Cache
- Graphics Card: Choice of the latest DX11 graphics cards
- Sound: 7.1 Channel Sound (On-Board)
- Optical Drive: LG DVD+/-RW SATA Drive
Or this
"Ultima Viper" Intel Core i7 930 2.80GHz @ 4.00GHz DDR3 System
System Specification
- Case: Antec 902 Ultimate Gaming Case - Black
- Power Supply: Corsair TX 650W ATX SLi Compliant Power Supply
- CPU: Intel Core i7 930 2.80GHz Overclocked to 4.00GHz
- Motherboard: Gigabyte EX58A-UD3R Intel X58 (Socket 1366) PCI-Express DDR3 Motherboard
- Cooler: Prolimatech Megahalems Rev B CPU Cooler with 2000RPM Sharkoon Silent Eagle 120mm
- RAM: Corsair XMS3 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 (1600MHz) Tri-Channel
- Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB SATA-II 32MB Cache
- Graphics Card: Choice of the latest graphics cards
- Sound: Realtek ALC889 7.1 Channel Sound (On-Board)
- Optical Drive: LG DVD+/-RW SATA Drive
Add 60gb Corsair SSD, Cooler, Win 7 and a GTX 480 they both come to under £1500 and will be killer systems for quite a few years, the main thing to try and get the best you can would be the GPU, and a GPU of that power should last quite a while.
Intel build would be better for SLI in the future though, don't think the AMD mobo supports SLI, someone else would have to confirm that or not.
The AMD system will be crossfire only, you need 980 chipset ~ which overclockers don't sell.
http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=prodmbspec&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=&cat3_no=&prod_no=1885
http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=prodmbspec&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=&cat3_no=&prod_no=1885
Tom's Hardware did a really interesting test comparison of a 4 ghz overclocked 1055t against a i7 overclocked to 4ghz system.
they very negatively suprised by the results. So was I, didnt expect the gap to be that big
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/overclock-cpu-build-a-pc,review-31987.html
they very negatively suprised by the results. So was I, didnt expect the gap to be that big
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/overclock-cpu-build-a-pc,review-31987.html
Hey Madals! 
The reason I don't personally subscribe to this ideal is because I am a hardware enthusiast and enjoy building computers and using them to do cool things . . . over the years I've noticed how much more powerful the products have become and how it was possible to spend less and less money on the products and not notice the difference in performance . . . this is of course going by my own personal experience and ignoring what all the website reviews led me to believe and also ignoring what a great deal of so called "power-users" led me to believe . . .
I'm wondering, would you consider yourself to be enthusiastic about building a computer or swapping out parts or does the whole process leave you cold? . . . if so is that another reason you prefer to only upgrade every 5 years or so? . . .
What PC do you own now? . . .
Do you see a problem with your "reasoning" here?
If a man had lots and lots of food in his cupboard but saw a time in the future that all the food in the shops would run out and he wouldn't be able to buy anymore . . . what would the sense be in him having a "humongous" cook-up and eating all his food supplies today?
"An extremely powerful & capable Gaming PC . . . can anyone "justify" spending more?"
For £635 pound delivered (not including O/S) that is an utterly "stunning" system for your needs . . . and won't be lagging anytime soon! . . . including a nice 3rd party heatsink fan so the option to get a QuadCore running at 3.8GHz is just a few clicks away . . . .
So you have now an awesome PC and more than half your original budget remaining . . . this will not please the hardware manufacturers who really want your money . . . this will also not please the people who listened to the marketing hype and spent over 100% extra money than you did . . they would be happier for you to make the same mistake rather than them admitting they spent too much!
I'm happy to discuss this further with you and welcome any further feedback you care to make!
Well that's very honest of you (kudos) and thanks for not taking offence at me pointing this out! . . .
Ok, this is what I personally call the "feast & famine" upgrading strategy, it's not something I understand exactly myself but you wouldn't be the first person I've come across that subscribes to this ideology . . . in essence what you are saying is you want to build a PC today (sept 2010) that you won't have to hardly touch and one that will manage to cope with your "needs" of the future . . . . a kinda "future-proof" PC if you will . . .
The reason I don't personally subscribe to this ideal is because I am a hardware enthusiast and enjoy building computers and using them to do cool things . . . over the years I've noticed how much more powerful the products have become and how it was possible to spend less and less money on the products and not notice the difference in performance . . . this is of course going by my own personal experience and ignoring what all the website reviews led me to believe and also ignoring what a great deal of so called "power-users" led me to believe . . .
I'm wondering, would you consider yourself to be enthusiastic about building a computer or swapping out parts or does the whole process leave you cold? . . . if so is that another reason you prefer to only upgrade every 5 years or so? . . .
What PC do you own now? . . .
Ok so can you clarify if this is what you are saying . . . at the moment you have £1500 burning a hole in your pocket and you fancy a bit of consumer Retail-Therapy which you have decided will be a "humongous" splurge £££ on a gaming and web-surfing computer . . . you have also looked ahead in your Crystal-Ball and seen a time "when starting university next year" that's its very likely that you will be "strapped for cash" so you have decided to spend all your spare money now?
Do you see a problem with your "reasoning" here?
If a man had lots and lots of food in his cupboard but saw a time in the future that all the food in the shops would run out and he wouldn't be able to buy anymore . . . what would the sense be in him having a "humongous" cook-up and eating all his food supplies today?
I'm still not sure what PC you have at the moment and I'm still not sure how enthusiastic you are about building a computer for yourself . . . but in your boots and assuming I had a really crud POS today and with the knowledge that both Intel® and AMD® will in a few months release a whole bunch of next-gen technology I would either sit it out to see what goodies are released *or" if I was really gagging for a super-dooper gaming/surfing PC today then I would buy & build something very similar to this . . .
"An extremely powerful & capable Gaming PC . . . can anyone "justify" spending more?"
For £635 pound delivered (not including O/S) that is an utterly "stunning" system for your needs . . . and won't be lagging anytime soon! . . . including a nice 3rd party heatsink fan so the option to get a QuadCore running at 3.8GHz is just a few clicks away . . . .
Your main "reason" for splurging much more money that you actually "need" to spend is very debatable . . I'm not sure if you are aware just how powerful modern hardware is right now but that £600 odd machine specc'ed above would literally blow your **** off . . . and would continue to do so for quite a few years yet . . . we cannot ignore the fact that you still have £850 odd of cold hard cash £££ still sitting in your "savings" account for that time in the future when maybe you are "strapped for cash"
So you have now an awesome PC and more than half your original budget remaining . . . this will not please the hardware manufacturers who really want your money . . . this will also not please the people who listened to the marketing hype and spent over 100% extra money than you did . . they would be happier for you to make the same mistake rather than them admitting they spent too much!
I believe if you stop doing what other people here are doing and carefully think about what it is your trying to achieve you may well realise you are in a forum full of computer addicts and salesmen that want nothing more than to separate you from as much of your money as possible . . they are not fully considering your personal circumstances (now and the future) and basically cannot see the wood for the trees!
I'm happy to discuss this further with you and welcome any further feedback you care to make!
i say you've only got one life, nobody knows what will happen tomorrow.. enjoy life as now.
if the OP has 1.5k to spend on a system, theres no aim in getting the best top end hardware.
maybe it's a not needed or a overkill for a lot of people but not everybody thinks the same, everybody is different.
if the OP has 1.5k to spend on a system, theres no aim in getting the best top end hardware.
maybe it's a not needed or a overkill for a lot of people but not everybody thinks the same, everybody is different.
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has i said
also he wants it to last ~5 years. so that'll need a high end gpu or even 2. if going crossfireing/sli 2+ gpus needs a good cpu,.
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Hey Madals!
Well that's very honest of you (kudos) and thanks for not taking offence at me pointing this out! . . .
Ok, this is what I personally call the "feast & famine" upgrading strategy, it's not something I understand exactly myself but you wouldn't be the first person I've come across that subscribes to this ideology . . . in essence what you are saying is you want to build a PC today (sept 2010) that you won't have to hardly touch and one that will manage to cope with your "needs" of the future . . . . a kinda "future-proof" PC if you will . . .
The reason I don't personally subscribe to this ideal is because I am a hardware enthusiast and enjoy building computers and using them to do cool things . . . over the years I've noticed how much more powerful the products have become and how it was possible to spend less and less money on the products and not notice the difference in performance . . . this is of course going by my own personal experience and ignoring what all the website reviews led me to believe and also ignoring what a great deal of so called "power-users" led me to believe . . .
I'm wondering, would you consider yourself to be enthusiastic about building a computer or swapping out parts or does the whole process leave you cold? . . . if so is that another reason you prefer to only upgrade every 5 years or so? . . .
What PC do you own now? . . .
Ok so can you clarify if this is what you are saying . . . at the moment you have £1500 burning a hole in your pocket and you fancy a bit of consumer Retail-Therapy which you have decided will be a "humongous" splurge £££ on a gaming and web-surfing computer . . . you have also looked ahead in your Crystal-Ball and seen a time "when starting university next year" that's its very likely that you will be "strapped for cash" so you have decided to spend all your spare money now?
Do you see a problem with your "reasoning" here?
If a man had lots and lots of food in his cupboard but saw a time in the future that all the food in the shops would run out and he wouldn't be able to buy anymore . . . what would the sense be in him having a "humongous" cook-up and eating all his food supplies today?
I'm still not sure what PC you have at the moment and I'm still not sure how enthusiastic you are about building a computer for yourself . . . but in your boots and assuming I had a really crud POS today and with the knowledge that both Intel® and AMD® will in a few months release a whole bunch of next-gen technology I would either sit it out to see what goodies are released *or" if I was really gagging for a super-dooper gaming/surfing PC today then I would buy & build something very similar to this . . .
"An extremely powerful & capable Gaming PC . . . can anyone "justify" spending more?"
For £635 pound delivered (not including O/S) that is an utterly "stunning" system for your needs . . . and won't be lagging anytime soon! . . . including a nice 3rd party heatsink fan so the option to get a QuadCore running at 3.8GHz is just a few clicks away . . . .
Your main "reason" for splurging much more money that you actually "need" to spend is very debatable . . I'm not sure if you are aware just how powerful modern hardware is right now but that £600 odd machine specc'ed above would literally blow your **** off . . . and would continue to do so for quite a few years yet . . . we cannot ignore the fact that you still have £850 odd of cold hard cash £££ still sitting in your "savings" account for that time in the future when maybe you are "strapped for cash"
So you have now an awesome PC and more than half your original budget remaining . . . this will not please the hardware manufacturers who really want your money . . . this will also not please the people who listened to the marketing hype and spent over 100% extra money than you did . . they would be happier for you to make the same mistake rather than them admitting they spent too much!
I believe if you stop doing what other people here are doing and carefully think about what it is your trying to achieve you may well realise you are in a forum full of computer addicts and salesmen that want nothing more than to separate you from as much of your money as possible . . they are not fully considering your personal circumstances (now and the future) and basically cannot see the wood for the trees!
I'm happy to discuss this further with you and welcome any further feedback you care to make!
Almost an identical (bar the PSU + Gigabyte 460) system to the one that I've just purchased from overclockers and should be arriving on my doorstep tomorrow. More than enough for my gaming, photo editing and general pc needs
your never going to get a computer than will last 5 years and still perform well even if you upgrade at what you believe is the optimum time.
for 1.5k you can spend 750 now and get almost a top spec computer that will easily last you 2-3 years and then when your computer starts to show its age you have £750 to spend on a motherboard ,memory , gpu and cpu.
much smarter than paying a premium now for not a lot more performance when it wont really last you any longer anyway
Great comments wayne - There are a few things I didnt explain that well though so will try and address them and also your questions
Upgrading every 5 years or so is because I am not comfortable building my own computer. I would happily swap parts (GPU, HDD etc) but things like processors and motherboards are out of my comfort zone (to many plugs, to many breakable bits etc - and I am fully aware its not as bad as I believe it is but it still isn't something I want to do when I can buy a system build). The other reason for not wanting to upgrade the CPU is overclocking, I get the principle behind it and how it works - I just don't feel comfortable messing around with it!
Current PC is a dell XPS M1710 laptop. I could spend £400 and get a system that would blow this laptop away, to give an idea of perspective, it can run SC2 but only on low with the odd medium setting.
By the spare cash around, I mean I need to get a computer and have that much to spend on it. after this point though I wont have money for a new computer for several years and as I am not comfortable in swapping parts much I wouldn't want to keep replacing. By strapped for cash, I mean I wont have the spare money to justify spending 800 on a gaming computer but I wont be counting pennies either (I am in a very fortunate position in that respect). As for just spending half my budget now and saving the rest to buy a new one in a few years - frankly I just don't want the hassle of having to set up computers every few years so would rather get something that will last for a while (5 years, like my current PC has).
As for knowing what current hardware can do, I am fully aware. My dad just splashed out on a £3500 system (i7 6 core OCed to 4.5Ghz + 12GB RAM etc etc). Again his system is far beyond his needs at the moment, but he will keep it until he cannot bare it any more (his last computer was still a pentium 4!). I get that mentality of "buy the best you can afford" from him.
I do understand that the "best you can afford" approach to avoid upgrading along the way isn't the "best" approach but it is the one I feel most comfortable with. That is why I want to get a processor that is capable of lasting as long as possible, as that is the only component I really wouldn't want to replace.
Upgrading every 5 years or so is because I am not comfortable building my own computer. I would happily swap parts (GPU, HDD etc) but things like processors and motherboards are out of my comfort zone (to many plugs, to many breakable bits etc - and I am fully aware its not as bad as I believe it is but it still isn't something I want to do when I can buy a system build). The other reason for not wanting to upgrade the CPU is overclocking, I get the principle behind it and how it works - I just don't feel comfortable messing around with it!
Current PC is a dell XPS M1710 laptop. I could spend £400 and get a system that would blow this laptop away, to give an idea of perspective, it can run SC2 but only on low with the odd medium setting.
By the spare cash around, I mean I need to get a computer and have that much to spend on it. after this point though I wont have money for a new computer for several years and as I am not comfortable in swapping parts much I wouldn't want to keep replacing. By strapped for cash, I mean I wont have the spare money to justify spending 800 on a gaming computer but I wont be counting pennies either (I am in a very fortunate position in that respect). As for just spending half my budget now and saving the rest to buy a new one in a few years - frankly I just don't want the hassle of having to set up computers every few years so would rather get something that will last for a while (5 years, like my current PC has).
As for knowing what current hardware can do, I am fully aware. My dad just splashed out on a £3500 system (i7 6 core OCed to 4.5Ghz + 12GB RAM etc etc). Again his system is far beyond his needs at the moment, but he will keep it until he cannot bare it any more (his last computer was still a pentium 4!). I get that mentality of "buy the best you can afford" from him.
I do understand that the "best you can afford" approach to avoid upgrading along the way isn't the "best" approach but it is the one I feel most comfortable with. That is why I want to get a processor that is capable of lasting as long as possible, as that is the only component I really wouldn't want to replace.
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In 4 to 5 years a £1500 gaming computer is not going to be that great. A £1500 computer from September 2005 would be extremely slow when compared to even a £300 to £400 computer nowadays.
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If you're as uncomfortable as you make out just buy this with the Intel X25M 80gb SSD and win7 HP if you need it
why 2 psu's?
This should last quite a while. Just add the case of your choice and an ssd if you fancy.