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*****UK FIRST - Just Arrived MSI HAWK Super-OC 1000MHz Core Cards!*****
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An overclocked 460 with all the voltage tweaks will be as much of a power hog as 470 is. This cooler blows half of the hot air inside the case too.
Looking forward to them overclocking results.
Why didn't you save ~£45 and get the Asus GTX460 DirectCU. From what I understand it clocks nearly as well as the MSI Hawk. I know 555BUK on these very forums has two clocked at 900 or above.
Indeed... on both points.
Not too worried about the heat in the case, as my Lian Li has got pretty good airflow. Might have to turn the case fans back up to max though. Again not too worried, as they are not that noisy even at full tilt (not noisy at all really). Though if it puts my CPU temps up too much, I might consider moving from air cooling to a Corsair H50. I've been wanting to try one of these for a while now. But again, could not justify it (there's that word again... "justify").
Sounds crazy I know. But I just sort of "like the look" of this card.
Can't wait till Friday. Day off me thinks.
PS. Just finished downloading the latest version of AfterBurner and the latest Nvidia drivers.
Yes I know. Probably read just about every post on every forum and every revue, of every 460 out there. And I did think about the ASUS card, again... I rather liked the look of it.
As previously said, I just sort of liked the look of the HAWK.
I did give some serious thought to the Zotac card. Quite liked the idea of the 5 year warranty. Just a shame the MSI cards are only 2 years. Usually sell my cards on around the 2 year mark and always handy to have a bit of warranty left to pass on. Just a shame that BFG have given up the ghost, so that's my 10 year warranty on the 260 gone West.
Though the card I REALLY thought about, was the Ino3d 470 Hawk. Which I could have got for very little more than the MSI card and that would be a beast of a card. Though the 3-slot design put me off. Hence why I suspect Ino3d don't appear to make it any more.
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Bit of general query that really and maybe slipping off thread a bit.
But anyway. I doubt most people would need 2GB of memory on a graphics card! Suspect only makes a difference at HUGE resolutions with LOADS of AA on. And maybe any 460 would struggle a bit then anyway. Though I suspect there are much more knowledgeable people on this forum than me, that could answer that a bit better.
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hmm It's just the price tag that does it for me. It is fantastic card, Id rather have a card that can get near performance for £175 than pay that although I did find it on pre-order for £199 inc vat and elsewhere in stock for £215 inc delivery but we <3 ocuk so I don't want to knock their solid offers but I think this card is overpriced considering the performance difference/price. Problem is with all these reviews they all show a fantastic OC but compared to other cards at stock. It may even beat a 5850 or 470 but again at stock. For the price surely it would be worth getting one of those which I'm sure will OC further. Maybe I am wrong I don't know but I think personally I will either go for a regular gtx 460 1gb that I can OC, spending less considering newer cards will be out in the same price bracket by the time it starts to struggle. OR I will consider the HAWK for under £200. It's fab engineering just a little too pricey
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lol, it still wouldn't be worth the price IF it came with an actual 1000Mhz clock as standard because it wouldn't overclock at all and a 470gtx for the same price will perform quite close at stock but overclocked will regain a significant lead.
Problem being, overclocking with voltage increase(which will be required to get anywhere near that high) bumps up the power usage very fast. A 460gtx clocked only as far as it can go on default(on a card without higher than usual default voltage) and they stay fairly low power, but whack the voltage up and you may aswell have a 470gtx.
I've seen one card in maybe the past 5 years that had a worthwhile overclock, a Palit 460gtx 1gb with 800Mhz clocks that was about £4 more than a "normal" one. Paying lots more, for the same clocks most other cards can do, is quite quite mad.
I mean, if Asus just start selling their one with a marketing gimmick saying, oh, we really hope these can hit 1.2Ghz, does that suddenly mean they'd be good value at £220? Not even close, its the same damn card, and not a particularly fantastic cooler(well the 5870/5850's didn't have particularly impressive temps with the same type of cooler on anyway).
I mean, end of the day its a reference card(give or take, military spec(marketing speak for 4p more per VRM) barely makes a difference, the main prices are pcb, memory, core. Overclocked versions are about making AIB's really any money at all as the margins are so ridiculously tight on standard models at the moment.
You would say, well when the 470gtx finally stops being available it might seem more worthwhile, but then the 475gtx will be out, with 384 shaders, and probably cost less than this card.
Never, ever pay more for an overclocked version of one card, than a stock card of the next card up the range. Would anyone buy a overclocked 5850 for £310? Utter madness.
Problem being, overclocking with voltage increase(which will be required to get anywhere near that high) bumps up the power usage very fast. A 460gtx clocked only as far as it can go on default(on a card without higher than usual default voltage) and they stay fairly low power, but whack the voltage up and you may aswell have a 470gtx.
I've seen one card in maybe the past 5 years that had a worthwhile overclock, a Palit 460gtx 1gb with 800Mhz clocks that was about £4 more than a "normal" one. Paying lots more, for the same clocks most other cards can do, is quite quite mad.
I mean, if Asus just start selling their one with a marketing gimmick saying, oh, we really hope these can hit 1.2Ghz, does that suddenly mean they'd be good value at £220? Not even close, its the same damn card, and not a particularly fantastic cooler(well the 5870/5850's didn't have particularly impressive temps with the same type of cooler on anyway).
I mean, end of the day its a reference card(give or take, military spec(marketing speak for 4p more per VRM) barely makes a difference, the main prices are pcb, memory, core. Overclocked versions are about making AIB's really any money at all as the margins are so ridiculously tight on standard models at the moment.
You would say, well when the 470gtx finally stops being available it might seem more worthwhile, but then the 475gtx will be out, with 384 shaders, and probably cost less than this card.
Never, ever pay more for an overclocked version of one card, than a stock card of the next card up the range. Would anyone buy a overclocked 5850 for £310? Utter madness.
18 sold over-night. There are a lot of people out there who will pay for higher quality product.
Otherwise we'd all be driving KIA's and Daewoos, many people want the extra quality a premium product brings.
If I was buying a 460, I'd want the best, yes I'd consider the 470 but a 470 at the same price is reference cooler, reference design. This has a superior cooler, better PCB components, triple voltage, people are seeing 940-960MHz on the core with odd ones hitting that magic 1000MHz, at those speed levels this is practically GTX 480 performance.
So when you consider £350 for a GTX 480 or £223 for a card that can OC to such levels, its an easy choice, but as many people have suggested the 470 is an ideal card to go for.
Hi Gibbo, any reference to those Hawks overclocked stable to 1GHz? All I've seen so far are successful bootups with these clocks and one screenshot of Furmark running for 2 sec. Even then you have to use kinds of voltage that will quickly shorten the lifespan me thinks. 950MHz is more like 40% overclock over a stock 1GB 460. It's not bad but we all know that none of the cards scales linearly with overclocks at this point and 480 is over 50% faster than a stock 460 so no way you can achieve it's performance with these cards. You can get close but in return you'll get similar levels of heat output combined with some monstrous power usage. Sure it's a card for enthusiast but it is priced wrong. Should be level of a 5850, period.
Well when Nathan has a play I will ask him to 3D Mark one against a stock a GTX 480 to just see what the difference is.
I can't see its power requirements getting anywhere near a GTX 480 even when overclocked as this is a GF104 core I think they call it and its a new design. I think maximum TDP these cards can draw is 195-205W. Is a GTX 480 not closer to 300W?
Any benchmarks to prove this?
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Guru results show a 480 scores an extra 450 GPU score over a 950 core MSI Hawk. Of course vantage is noway representative of actual games performance.
And below is a Hawk clocked at 940 this time compared to a stock 480 in a game, it would be safe to assume that a 1000 core Hawk would indeed rival a 480 performance wise, in COD4 anyway.
And below is a Hawk clocked at 940 this time compared to a stock 480 in a game, it would be safe to assume that a 1000 core Hawk would indeed rival a 480 performance wise, in COD4 anyway.
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Soldato
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Seems like a pointless card. Far too expensive for what it is, and the 1000 coremisnomer is a bit nasty. What's the point spending this much for a pre-overclocked card that isn't overclocked to anywhere near the levels it can get to. The people who'd buy this card are probably those who want a pre-overclocked card without the fear or overclocking it and losing warranty etc. To sell it to them as a "1000MHz card" seems a bit odd and underhand tbh.
Raven; At 780MHz on the core it doesn't reach those levels of performance, and if you're going to overclock it past that you may as well get a better card for the same price or less and overclock that.
Raven; At 780MHz on the core it doesn't reach those levels of performance, and if you're going to overclock it past that you may as well get a better card for the same price or less and overclock that.
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This, for that price you can get a 470 and just overclock it the way you would need to overclock this card, seems a bit silly.
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