Virgin or BT Infinity?

Just so you guys know. The 100mb from Virgin will be a different Package 50mb will stay the same its not an automatic update.

And Yea Virgin are testing 5mb upload in some places with 50meg at the moment so hopefully it will launch sometime soon!
 
Psychosis said:
Is there something wrong there?
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Would have expected 15ms pings - especially at this time of the day.

I think it's down to the initial few hops to your POP that's the issue, the rest of the trace is as per normal unless you're connected to the LINX ...

[root@stfu ~]# ping news.bbc.co.uk
PING newswww.bbc.net.uk (212.58.244.61) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from bbc-vip106.telhc.bbc.co.uk (212.58.244.61): icmp_seq=1 ttl=57 time=2.44 ms
64 bytes from bbc-vip106.telhc.bbc.co.uk (212.58.244.61): icmp_seq=2 ttl=57 time=2.36 ms
64 bytes from bbc-vip106.telhc.bbc.co.uk (212.58.244.61): icmp_seq=3 ttl=57 time=2.38 ms
64 bytes from bbc-vip106.telhc.bbc.co.uk (212.58.244.61): icmp_seq=4 ttl=57 time=2.43 ms
64 bytes from bbc-vip106.telhc.bbc.co.uk (212.58.244.61): icmp_seq=5 ttl=57 time=2.36 ms
64 bytes from bbc-vip106.telhc.bbc.co.uk (212.58.244.61): icmp_seq=6 ttl=57 time=2.36 ms
64 bytes from bbc-vip106.telhc.bbc.co.uk (212.58.244.61): icmp_seq=7 ttl=57 time=2.42 ms

[root@stfu ~]# traceroute news.bbc.co.uk
traceroute to news.bbc.co.uk (212.58.244.61), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 xxxxxxx 0.042 ms 0.047 ms 0.025 ms
2 xxxxxxx 1.532 ms 1.596 ms 1.615 ms
3 xxx.the-7600.as29550.net (xxxx) 2.273 ms 2.303 ms 2.303 ms
4 rt-lonap-a.thdo.bbc.co.uk (193.203.5.90) 2.470 ms 2.528 ms 2.656 ms
5 212.58.238.129 (212.58.238.129) 2.448 ms 2.493 ms 2.576 ms
6 212.58.239.58 (212.58.239.58) 2.557 ms 2.556 ms 2.607 ms
7 212.58.251.44 (212.58.251.44) 2.624 ms 2.534 ms 2.625 ms
8 bbc-vip106.telhc.bbc.co.uk (212.58.244.61) 2.529 ms 2.511 ms 2.494 ms

:D


Eatchipz said:
Just so you guys know. The 100mb from Virgin will be a different Package 50mb will stay the same its not an automatic update.
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Which means forking out MORE cash. Broadband prices are already extortionate. I refuse to be ripped off any more.
 
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Psychosis said:
I hit 100gig a couple of times on ADSL when that was their limit but I have 3 kids (2 of which seem to spend 1/2 their life streaming youtube videos). 300gig seems pretty fair to me.
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had the same issue every month and even tho I get free bband from BT being an employee I went to sky due to no caps and only £10 a month at the time (now £7.50) even had a 3mb speed increase so now get 12mb on adsl... sweeeet :)

installing ftcc like mad at mo and getting very good reports from engineers who have it, I bet they can push even more thru it and in time I am sure fibre to the customer will start in earnest nationally... 100mbit greatness

like everything, get what suits your need and wallet 1st and foremost ;)
 
The 300gb useage sounds a lot better. And certainly with 10mb upload it is very tempting but Virgin would be my choice. It will only be a matter of time before you get better upload speeds.

You havent mentioned costs. Could be a decision maker. Do you want tv and phone and such? Virgin gets expensive. If you just want internet BT could be cheaper.
 
bloodline76 said:
You havent mentioned costs. Could be a decision maker. Do you want tv and phone and such? Virgin gets expensive. If you just want internet BT could be cheaper.
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BT may very well be cheaper but Virgin is a lot more stable than BT is, thing i
dont like about BT is you can have a 5MB download 1 minute and 2 minutes
later you get a 3MB download because there are to many people online taking
all the stuff from the exchange.

Were are with Virgin you will get a stable speed all the time i know that my
speeds never drop below 47MB on a speed test.
 
A[L]C;17325022 said:
Thats quite cool.

Hmmmm don't know what to do!

Anyone know if the BT infinity speed estimation is accurate?
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I've just had infinity installed, the online estimate suggested i would see around 22mb, as it turned out I have 36mb.

It will depend how close your house is to the street cabinet as that is still a copper run.
 
Shadz said:
BT may very well be cheaper but Virgin is a lot more stable than BT is, thing i
dont like about BT is you can have a 5MB download 1 minute and 2 minutes
later you get a 3MB download because there are to many people online taking
all the stuff from the exchange.

Were are with Virgin you will get a stable speed all the time i know that my
speeds never drop below 47MB on a speed test.
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a lot ISP's tend to prioritise speed test sites so it looks like the connection is running at full speed but they will set lower prioroties for other types of traffic.
 
sid-180 said:
a lot ISP's tend to prioritise speed test sites so it looks like the connection is running at full speed but they will set lower prioroties for other types of traffic.
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I know what you are saying and i agree with it as well.
But the other way i know i get the top speed is if i download something 9/10
i will get between a 5Mb-6Mb download speed, obviously depends on the
speed of the servers that you are downloading from as well but i still get the
speed that i pay for.
 
A[L]C;17324761 said:
Virgin is 1.5mb up, whereas BT infinity is quoting me 8.8Mb upload. Does this make much difference if Im not running a ftp or anything?
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For normal use (browsing, gaming, skype with webcam, etc) no - 1.5Mb/s up is plenty. If you do online backups or upload a lot of photos .... well, you get the picture.
Do you spend a lot of time waiting for uploads to finish currently?
 
Thought i'd share my experiences, I'm with BT infinity (No cable area), I got estimated 18Mbps down and 7Mbps up, I currently get 37Mbps down and 7Mbps up. As far is i'm aware i'm about 350-400m from the nearest fibre cabinet, not that this says much. Havn't noticed any drop outs / disconnects while online gaming. I've maxed the connection numerous times via some xdcc bots, some test torrents i choose.

These were done roughly at 2:00Pm on Saturday

Pinging newswww.bbc.net.uk [212.58.246.83] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 212.58.246.83: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=51
Reply from 212.58.246.83: bytes=32 time=29ms TTL=51
Reply from 212.58.246.83: bytes=32 time=28ms TTL=51
Reply from 212.58.246.83: bytes=32 time=27ms TTL=51

Tracing route to newswww.bbc.net.uk [212.58.246.85]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms api.home [192.168.1.254]
2 22 ms 21 ms 22 ms 217.32.143.131
3 23 ms 22 ms 23 ms 217.32.143.158
4 22 ms 22 ms 22 ms 213.120.181.2
5 23 ms 22 ms 22 ms 213.120.179.30
6 22 ms 22 ms 22 ms 213.120.179.178
7 25 ms 24 ms 24 ms acc1-10GigE-1-3-0.sf.21cn-ipp.bt.net [109.159.251.86]
8 27 ms 27 ms 28 ms core1-te0-12-0-6.ealing.ukcore.bt.net [109.159.251.9]
9 27 ms 28 ms 27 ms core1-pos5-0-0.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [194.74.65.122]
10 31 ms 35 ms 36 ms 194.74.65.42
11 28 ms 27 ms 27 ms 212.58.238.153
12 28 ms 28 ms 28 ms te12-1.hsw1.cwwtf.bbc.co.uk [212.58.239.234]
13 29 ms 29 ms 28 ms 212.58.255.12
14 29 ms 28 ms 29 ms bbc-vip006.cwwtf.bbc.co.uk [212.58.246.85]

Can't think of anything else relevant to post, but am very happy with this, especially the upload speeds. Sure beats 2.5Mbps down and 0.3Mbps up, 300GB FUP is nice too as theres 4 mid/heavy internet users in this house hold.
 
If you gave me £5000 I still wouldnt touch BT, they are the worst customer service of any company I have ever dealt with. I even had one guy get angry at me down the phone and try to intimidate me, they are disgusting.
 
i would stay clear of BT, had such bad experience in the past.

when i was on dial up, back before broadband was around, i was on the BT Free weekends service.

one month, they took the payment from me 3 times, then cut off my line and said i never paid for the month.

then refused to connect it back up again but continued to take payments for the service they were no longer providing
 
Subliminal Aura said:
Doubt it.... those ping rates are constant without any spikes whatsoever
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If someone was say as an example uploading to an FTP server at a constant 20KB/s while he did the ping test it would be enough to increase the ping times by a few ms consistantly with little fluctuation.
 
I've gone for Infinity as Virgin told me they won't cable our area until 2012.
Had some issues with capping - blew the then 100meg limit in 13 days! but after a quick complaint to the CEO they took the cap off completely. They predicted 22meg download, 8meg upload and I'm usually seeing 30down/9up.

My in-laws have swapped to a virgin triple play, no one tells you that despite having a Virgin HD box Sky Sports is not available in HD.
 
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