Noticed it only happens after people provoke them to do it? Or do something before hand to upset the Muslims.
Koran burning in reaction to 9/11
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Noticed it only happens after people provoke them to do it? Or do something before hand to upset the Muslims.
The whole 'Did the apple fall from the tree, or did someone put it there', is a purely philosophical argument, not a scientific one.
In science, both cases would prove that the apple is on the floor due to mavity.
No not really. I never noticed any kind of suitable provocation that would lead to Muslims burning flags, or flying planes into the twin towers.
I feel we are wasting our time. He obviously has little understanding of any of the aforementioned disciplines.
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You are like a breath of fresh air man!
The usual bunch are flogging the usual dead horse here but you have put it very succinctly.
Simple, straight and to the point.
Let me stop you there, you are approaching the defence of extremists, dont go there.
No please let him. Apparantly I'm the extremist here, and Vita is defending terrorists.
It's a thought experiment, to show you that it is very difficult to determine the causes of something if all you have is the results. It's to show you the limitations of your precious science.
I'll explain it again...
If there is an apple on the ground, and no one observed what happened prior to it arriving there, then no one can know whether it fell from the tree simply because it was time for it to fall or because someone pulled it from the tree and placed it where it would have fallen, had it been left to do so.
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So you're saying that you can be categorically sure that it fell due to the force of mavity alone and there was no outside intervention?
How am I, care to explain? I just said that because it's the only time I've seen Muslims start to burn effergys and stuff. For example, the pastor effergy.
That doesn't make out to be the defence for the extremists. I'm just stating what is out in the open.
Oh, we absolutely are, no question about it.
I'm just not quite bored enough to go and do the washing up yet.
Yea, this exactly, wonder why I dodnt think of wording it that way instead of the lame 'do unto others .....' thing
No, very simply - Science does not support the idea of God. Science does not hold the view that anything can be caused by a supernatural deity. You completely insult science by comparing it to God.
The logical debate DOES point to there being no God, but you wouldnt listen to, nor bother to believe any reasons on this.
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What if the mechanism, in this case mavity is divine in nature. Science would then need to explain mavity and so on. It has yet to do so.
With our current understanding and knowledge a purely scientific position would be agnosticism, as we cannot prove God either way, we cannot even define what we are looking for in a scientific sense.
Really bhavv...do you really believe that your posts dont spread hate towards islam??...are you really that deluded?/
Come now do you really really want to me to pull up some of you more memorable posts??...id hate to make you look more of a fool than you already are.
Actually im not going to waste my time doing that as others in here are doing a sterling job of that.
Like I said I'm not defending terrorists. I'm stating what is clearly happening out in the open. The only time they do this, is when they are provoked to.
Seriously some of you expect to upset Muslims and then watch them sit on their backsides and be like "Yo yeah we cool with that br0". Obviously it upsets them. Like I said, Muslims care about what they believe in.
They don't pray 5 times a day, give charity, and fast for no reason you know.
You are like a breath of fresh air man!
The usual bunch are flogging the usual dead horse here but you have put it very succinctly.
Simple, straight and to the point.
PMSL oh dear oh dear.
Its just the impression I get from you.
You aren't an extremist, by any means, but many of the points you make are things you believe obviously very strongly in, other people will not understand them.
Using such points in arguments rarely works well.
Is heaven made of atoms?
Well honestly, sorry for giving that impression. I am all against extremism, it's just I really want people to understand, even if it does sound crazy. Maybe that way they will understand a little bit better.
I do believe strongly in these things, but I'm not far off the mark when I say provoking is one of the main things involved.
Do I really need to pull up some more memorable evidence of how terrible a religion Islam is? No, not really, I'd hate to make you and your hyena gang mates look like even bigger clowns.
Do you really think that I am bothered about what you think of me? Everything in yours and other Muslim or Islam appologist's defence resorts to mudslinging and petty name calling against everyone that doesnt like your religion. I've already taken and dealt with far worse than what your weak mind can possibly throw at me, so please feel free to try whatever you want.
A really mature and mentally sane bunch of people you are. Not.
No, they do those things because their imaginary sky daddy tells them to.
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Don't know. As far as I know in Heaven there will be 7 gates, this is according to the Qur'an. Gardens will have rivers which flow beneath them.
You might say I'm agnostic in some aspects but I do follow religion since my background is Islamic but while I do follow it I constantly question it, in fact religion interests me as a whole which is why I try to find out more about it from people who have different faiths but the difference is I never mix my views of religion with things like politics and science & nature. These are all individual things in my view, not just in the views of what a scientist might say, for example, but physically and logically these are completely different things that should not be combined like they are in today's world.
I do not believe for one second that any God causes a natural disaster resulting in the death and/or suffering of millions/thousands. I do however believe that a natural disaster occurs because that is the natural way of the planet we evolved on and we know this because historical evidence tells us this and not religion. The evidence has been cemented in our Earth's crust far longer than man has walked the planet.
My respect and following of religion and its cultural traditions will remain strong as always but my belief in it does not because religion HAS been changed by man to suit his views and ideals many times over the past few thousand years and I cannot trust such words skewed by man to guide me through life - I could do, I could become ignorant to all the nasty stuff going on and just life out my life all happy and in faith but there's too much at stake around us in the world to live like that today.
I don't know if any of that is going to make any logical sense to you or anyone else but to me that's how the world is today and to emphasise a point I hinted at earlier, if a god from any religion created his children so beautiful and so full of life then why have those very beautiful children been killed in such an ugly manner? I ask this question to people and I get various responses but many say that those children of god will instantly go to heaven and live an afterlife of happiness - If that's the case then many also say how you die is how you appear when you die in the afterlife, will those children appear all broken, disfigured and with limbs missing then? There is no clarification on this that I have seen or heard.
Sorry but while I have respect for people's faiths and follow my own ethnic traditions year after year I cannot accept illogical things like the above because it doesn't add up and the only time it does add up is when you forget all the questions and just accept it as it is and as you're preached to (which is something my logical train of thought can't do).
tl;dr perhaps....
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