My new car. Mazda 3 MPS

Matt-Page said:
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Are you going on what Wiki says or have you actually driven a car with it and without it? Put it this way, I was coming in 5th/6th in a race sprint championship I'm in, I fit an LSD, practise with it and I'm winning every round. That's a hell of a difference.

Granted it only changes one aspect of a car, but it's abig aspect for me and something most enthusiasts will consider. I wasn't aware the first one had an LSD.
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but we're comparing two cars here that both have LSDs

the Old 3 MPS and the new, the old one of which sucked in the handling department because it didnt have an LSD ... when in fact it does.

Your picking arguments for the sake of it.
 
Coming in to this thread, I suddenly empathise with the father that walks in to a living room and finds his hoard of kids painting on the walls and screaming.

I'm going to walk out and pretend I never came in.
 
Matt-Page said:
Are you going on what Wiki says or have you actually driven a car with it and without it?
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It's all off Wiki m8. And MikeHiow, obviously, as he knows all about these as a salesman once told him they were crap.

Put it this way, I was coming in 5th/6th in a race sprint championship I'm in, I fit an LSD, practise with it and I'm winning every round. That's a hell of a difference.
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Thats great, in a rcing car.

Granted it only changes one aspect of a car
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So you DO agree with me?

There is more to a car than how it gets its power down. How it gets its power down is actually very important - but fixing this single attribute with an LSD wont turn a 'crap' car (Remember, MikeHiow said the previous MPS was a bad car) into a great one on its own, will it? A car is a package - its an interior, an exterior, engine, chassis, gearbox, equipment level, space in the back, running costs, etc etc. The whole package combines to make a crap car, or an average car, or an excellent car. And if its crap, simply adding an LSD to this package wont promote it to excellent unless it's a purpose built racing car or something.

That doesnt mean I don't appreciate the benefits of an LSD because obviously I know what it does.

My original point was to discredit MikeHiow's ludicrous opinion that the previous MPS was a bad car yet the new one is like night and day in comparison. This is a ridiculous opinion made even more hilarious by the fact we later learned he was (As usual) talking rubbish and that the original had an LSD anyway.
 
MikeHiow said:
Except the old one was terrible, expensive to tax, and pretty boring to both sit in and look at.

The new one has an LSD so will likely drive like it should, it looks fantastic and is in the right tax band.
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just in case anybody had forgotten the original post :D
 
TangoSixteen said:
Sorry but its a silly point.

You dont fit an LSD to a wallowy, rubbish handling car.

The entire point is that the types of car you WOULD fit and LSD to would be performance orientated anyway.

There is no doubt that an LSD can transform everything about the way a car drives, especially if its FWD. The way the car puts the power down through the corner has a DIRECT effect on its handling. Once you have an aggressive LSD biting into the tarmac, its going to change how the car is "set" for each corner.
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My point is, in my opinion an LSD can transform a cars handling and cornering abilities, for me that is an important factor over leg room and the touch feel of a dash board. I'm not picking an argument here, just stating that an LSD can transform a car that handles poorly at speed, to one that will grip and power out of them far better, that's all.

MrLOL said:
but we're comparing two cars here that both have LSDs

the Old 3 MPS and the new, the old one of which sucked in the handling department because it didnt have an LSD ... when in fact it does.

Your picking arguments for the sake of it.
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That's my bad, I read earlier in this thread that the original didn't, I assumed that was the case.

[TW]Fox;17418191 said:
It's all off Wiki m8. And MikeHiow, obviously, as he knows all about these as a salesman once told him they were crap.
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Who? Don't know him. My point was to ask if you've ever experienced such a transformation and used it for it's purpose to comment as you did.

Thats great, in a rcing car.
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My car is not a racing car, but I do compete in it. I fitted an LSD because I was coming out of bends and spinning the inside wheel, getting no traction and going nowhere. This meant I had to slow down and wait for the grip to come before increasing the power. With an LSD it simply does not happen. I put my foot down, it grips and pulls away. If I'm too early the back might step out, but I don't have to compensate my driving, in fact I had to learn to drive it again, it transformed it quite literally.


There is more to a car than how it gets its power down. How it gets its power down is actually very important - but fixing this single attribute with an LSD wont turn a 'crap' car (Remember, MikeHiow said the previous MPS was a bad car) into a great one on its own, will it? A car is a package - its an interior, an exterior, engine, chassis, gearbox, equipment level, space in the back, running costs, etc etc. The whole package combines to make a crap car, or an average car, or an excellent car. And if its crap, simply adding an LSD to this package wont promote it to excellent unless it's a purpose built racing car or something.

That doesnt mean I don't appreciate the benefits of an LSD because obviously I know what it does.

My original point was to discredit MikeHiow's ludicrous opinion that the previous MPS was a bad car yet the new one is like night and day in comparison. This is a ridiculous opinion made even more hilarious by the fact we later learned he was (As usual) talking rubbish and that the original had an LSD anyway.
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My opinion was based purely on my experience in cars with LSD's and then driving them without one. My opinion also does not include the car package you consider above entirely, handling and how you an use it means more to me than space and trim levels, that's all. I'm not saying your opinion is null, or that anyone is wrong, simply stating my opinion based on my own experience. The fact remains an LSD can transform a cars handling and acceleration, but no, it doesn't transform a shed into an angel.
 
Matt-Page said:
My point is, in my opinion an LSD can transform a cars handling and cornering abilities,
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nobody is disputing that

You've walked right into the MikeHiow Fox Show and got totally the wrong end of the stick.

Leave them to argue for a couple more pages and step away from the argument ;)

Matt-Page said:
but no, it doesn't transform a shed into an angel.
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Good.

Now you can realise Fox was picking holes in this argument

MikeHiow said:
Except the old one was terrible, expensive to tax, and pretty boring to both sit in and look at.

The new one has an LSD so will likely drive like it should, it looks fantastic and is in the right tax band.
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which appeared to indciate that the new MPS "drives like it should" just because it has an LSD, something the original that was "terrible" also had.

nothing to see here ;)
 
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Wow, what a mess.

Yes, I did believe the old one didn't have an LSD, and I clearly stated why I thought that and admitted I was wrong - that should be the end of it.

I also said that the LSD alone did not transform the car from bad to 'worth considering' (I never said 'good', now did I Fox?). There were other factors, and you know there were, but you focus on the one I was wrong about just so you can be cantankerous.

Its also worth noting that given the reviews the old one had, the LSD probably wasn't that great, evident by the fact that Mazda appear to have sourced a new LSD for the new model.

Yes a Mazda employee who had owned both the ST and the MK1 3 told me that if I had already tested the ST there was little point of testing the 3 as the ST was leaps and bounds ahead of the 3.
 
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