Council Estates

Ixon said:
Why is it that Council's let these kind of people move into area's that once were considered decent, just to spoil it for the decent people that still live there.
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Isn't that the point in social housing? It's there for those who cannot afford to house themselves.
 
BloodyL said:
The problem is:

1)If you plonk all the undesirables in one location you just end up with an enclave of trouble.
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Excellent idea, hopefully they will slowly all stab each other to death.

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Thank Christ I live out in the sticks with only fields for neighbours.
I struggle with the idea of living in a nice community, let alone some rabbit warren type of estate full of scummers. <shivers>
 
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I'd have to agree with the majority of whats been said on here regarding council estates etc. Problem families are nothing but a pain, devalue property and generally make life hell for people who pay mortgages or the elderly.

In March of last year we had a girl move in about 200yards from where i live, told my (now ex) wife that she's trouble and we'll see bobby bill over every weekend. What do you know every weekend for 4months the Police were out including one instance of a riot van and 3 other police cars! Seemingly this has now stopped (following me writing to local MP) i have also been informed by the local "Social Cohesion Police Unit" that this person is now on a final warning hence her behaving for the last 3 months.

Some people are not worthy of claiming benefits and quite frankly should be left to their own devices and many girls in my opinion need sterilising! Too much of a career having kids for some
 
The worrying thing is that the only real suggestion in this thread is heavily manning the streets with police and army.

It's such a tricky problem I personally have no idea. Give the Police more power perhaps? I really don't know :(
 
There are whole areas of London suburbs that are basically full of scum. South of the river the well known areas used to be Brixton, Stockwell and Peckham, which were littered with huge estates full of the lowest of the low of society. Most of them were no-go areas for outsiders and the police wouldn't go into Silvertown in Brixton.

This is what happens when you put all those people together. It gets out of control, and it takes councils years to disperse it again.
 
....I grew up in harlow and IMO peoples views on council estates are rather worrying.

99% of people who live on estates are nice normal people who's only diffrences are being poor and possible less educated.

Being poor does not make you into a crazed criminal.
 
I work in social housing.

Believe me, I've seen it all. Thankfully, the "scum" is in the extreme minority (SW England).

Here's a statistic... in our housing stock, only 17% of tenants have some form of employment, be it part or full time. The rest... most of them aren't the jobshy layabout scumbags that people moan about, but it does indeed beg the question "why so few??"

The more vocal tenants (the scumbag minority) seem to shout the loudest and are the most demanding. I have, on one occasion, looked a tenant in the eye and said "everything you have here was provided for you by the taxpayer. You should be greatful. You are in no position to demand ANYTHING. If you don't like it, you are free to vacate this property for a more deserving client."

They put a complaint in against me, nothing was done. :)

The interesting ones are the scumbags who trash properties. I used to deal with recharges, and it was rather interesting playing CSI and tracking them down.

I now work in the planned replacements/renovations side of social housing. Did you know: the average social housing property is maintained to a HIGHER standard than it's privately owned neighbour? The properties we have are actually very good. It's just some of the people in them... :(

The days of plain and dreary PRC buildings are thankfully over. A typical social housing property will, at first glance, be indistinguishable from a privately owned property... just don't look at the front lawn in some of them ;) Obv. I can't comment on other areas in the country, but our housing stock is very high quality indeed.

WRT problem families - believe me, it is virtually IMPOSSIBLE to evict a tenant nowadays. A tenant turns up to court, gives a sob story, and they are invariably given a stay (i.e. allowed to stay, not evicted).

For a small minority of our problem tenants, d'ya know what the most-replaced household item is? The front door - when the police use their big red key to force an entry, it makes an awful mess. Our doors are what's called Secured by design, so v. hard to force entry through. When we were trialing them, the police came down and practiced breaching on them, so should they encounter such a door they can gain entry promptly.

I've seen the mentally unhinged, the people who come into the office and threaten to kill themselves/their family because they can't afford their rent. The people who have died in their property and haven't been discovered for a week or two (not nice). The mad pet owners who let the pets **** and **** everywhere. Fleas (yes, FLEAS, EVERYWHERE). The abusive. The timid. The people who answer the door stark-bollock-naked and don't see a problem with it.

I've seen most things that you could attribute to social housing/council housing, few things phase me now and some of the things Ive seen and heard can turn your stomach.

To sum up: Lovely places, shame about the people ;)
 
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Ixon said:
That what ****es me off the most i have to work my balls off & struggle to pay my mortgage, water, gas, electric ect every month while these that get JSA get everything paid for all they seem to do is breed have more kids = more money for cigs booze and drugs.
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Completely agree, we have a new housing with large courtyard bit in the center of town. Yet they are all being occupied by people who don't work and never have/will.

I work very long hard days yet I cannot afford to save for a mortgage or afford the repayments :p
 
I'm sorry but... why can't he and his wife afford a house?

I don't want to make assumptions but even if they both work minimum wage jobs that's 1600 pounds a month after tax, so surely enough to rent a 1 bedroom flat/house ?
 
This is one of the reasons I refused a council house. I was once on the list with my Mrs, but I told her it was a **** hole place and a **** hole house. She said I was being fussy. She should have thanked me for talking her out of it. I've always rented privately even when times where very difficult because with council houses there is massive hassle and uncertainty, and you wind up places like the OP describes a lot of the time. Yeah it's cheaper but....not always worth it.

However, some council houses and areas are lovely. Luck of the draw.
 
I think one of the main problems is that there is no incentive for them to work. If they get free housing and other things (Big Telly) and don't have to work for it, they will see it as why should they?
 
BloodyL said:
The problem is:

1)If you plonk all the undesirables in one location you just end up with an enclave of trouble.
2)If you try and distribute the troublemakers in with society to try and get them to pick up the habits and manners of those around them you end up with 1 household causing hell for the rest of the community.

So where are you going to put them?
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Scotland :p
 
Harvey616 said:
I think one of the main problems is that there is no incentive for them to work. If they get free housing and other things (Big Telly) and don't have to work for it, they will see it as why should they?
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Never seen a coin opperated TV have you?

There is a diffrence between genuinly poor people and benifit cheats living on an estate dosent make you a benifits cheat, some people cant work for what ever reason or their curcumstances force them not to, it is not always an active decision to sponge benifits.
 
I know, and some people generally deserve them, due to not physically being able to work, but a lot of people don't work because it's easier than getting a job, but they can still have a house etc.
 
badcompany said:
In the army.
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Excellent thing to say to our troops eh?

Congrats lads you're all equal to the scum we scrapped off the streets.

But don't worry, while we consider them to useless and dumb to be allowed us "civilised" folk it's fine to make your lives depend on them.
 
What about people whos parents have ended up divorced and the mothers are left to bring up their own children? 90% of my friends have/had single mums but had been married and in a financial position to bring up kids prior to the divorce. In divorces the mothers tend to get the kids and if they are still young who will look after them? you cant live on most child maintainance's paied by the fathers as it is deducted from any other benifits you may be intitled to receive. Most people on here are grossly mis-informed.
 
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