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Fermi mid-life kicker comes in 40nm
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Thankfully he's stayed away since he was called out in a previous thread.
But, if you really want to, you can construct your own drunkenmaster post (if you have the stamina to write a little essay composed of two-line paragraphs). After all, you know exactly what he would say...
But, on-topic, I'll be interested to see what the Fermi refresh brings to the table. I doubt it will be able to compete with AMD in the efficiency stakes, and frankly, I will be (pleasantly) surprised if we see it this year. My completely subjective feeling is that AMD has things in the bag for the rest of this generation, but will have a mountain to climb to match nvidia in the next, given that nvidia has already taken a first iteration of their "completely new" architecture in Fermi. A switch to global foundries could potentially work to AMDs advantage in the next generation though.
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Fermi has been out since April but since then there has been not stop rumours about Nvidia working on a new high end Fermi which is reported to be the GTX485 with a full complement of 512 cores and there have also been reports of a dual chip card based around the GTX460 or GTX450. Now sites like Fudzilla and KitGuru are touting there’s a new Fermi that’s on the way to go against the Radeon 6000 series.
Honest to god I think they just make this stuff up at times to get traffic through the site and enthusiasts full for it every single time, there’s no magical GTX485 or GTX495 the only place where they exist is in the minds of fantasist reporters. Mean while a week after reports like this come out we get threads appearing in the forums with people asking if they should hold out for the GTX485 and if it will be worth the wait yet they are completely oblivious to the fact that the whole GTX485 story was Mickey mouse.
I’m sue Nvidia did have plans for a GTX495 style chip but issues with power consumption, heat, the PCI-E specification and the efficiency of the HD5970 have put that on hold for now.
I for one find drunkens posts as some of the best in the gfx forums, generally speaking they are pretty informative and go into enough detail to be interesting. Clearly most of his info is lifted from sources around the net but that doesn't discredit any of it any more than the garbage others write about.
Eugh...
It's the same old stuff over and over. Repeated time after time, laced with bias and unfounded assumptions. But I guess that is all par for the course.
What grinds my gears personally is his consistent assumption that he knows more about engineering of multi-Billion transistor silicon than nvidia engineers. Armchair criticism. But lets not get into that again... It was done to death in the other thread.
I take your point, from an engineering standpoint I think it’s fair to say that nobody here really knows what it takes to design, construct and program a successful chip. What people do understand is hard numbers and understandably drunken reiterates the point about number of transistors (die size) verses performance which is something that most here can grasp. Right or wrong it makes for pretty good reading at times.
From my point of view I’m quite looking forward to what both parties bring to the table next and am prepping my 5850 for sale ready for a new purchase. Red or Green I don't really care but if the new Fermi (if there is one) offers great performance at the right price point i.e what im willing to pay, then they will get considered without a doubt.
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Say here, I tend to think any 40nm refresh of the current Fermi's won't be that great but when Nvidia switches to 28nm they will be in the drivers seat as by then Fermi might be in it's 3rd generation and on smaller process and the engineers will have surely worked out how to make it more efficient. AMD on the other hand will have a brand new architecture which is always a risky and given the history of this business success and fortune does ebb and flow for companies and success could flow back to Nvidia.
I take your point, from an engineering standpoint I think it’s fair to say that nobody here really knows what it takes to design, construct and program a successful chip. What people do understand is hard numbers and understandably drunken reiterates the point about number of transistors (die size) verses performance which is something that most here can grasp. Right or wrong it makes for pretty good reading at times.
From my point of view I’m quite looking forward to what both parties bring to the table next and am prepping my 5850 for sale ready for a new purchase. Red or Green I don't really care but if the new Fermi (if there is one) offers great performance at the right price then they will get considered without a doubt.
Link to thread please?
I believe this is the thread to which they refer.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18188819
I don't really want to get involved... it was starting to feel like school ground bullying towards the end.
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I believe this is the thread to which they refer.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18188819
I don't really want to get involved... it was starting to feel like school ground bullying towards the end.
Thanks
Forums are all about different opinions, ideas, solutions etc
I suspect if you edited all the conjecture & supposition out of these forums, it would make for a very boring & sterile place
For what it's worth, I quite enjoy reading "Drunkenmaster" posts and for that matter any post that offers an interesting/informative read.
I don't enjoy all the petty bickering though and maybe we should remember that we are all enthusiasts at heart with our own opinions & egos
Duff-man> I respect both you and drunkenmaster. I don't see his posts with bias in any particular fashion. I see him posting info on stuff that I'm just not going to be looking into as I have too little time to have interest in it. Glad he posts up frankly.
I perceive any bashing he does do as a desire to wish they sorted themselves out, much like wishing ati at times would have sorte themselves out. Swings and roundabouts though with tech companies, as always long development cycles.
Good to see Nvidia trying to keep up. Bottom line is, regardless of cost, Nvidia in general CURRENTLY have the faster product. That doesn't make it the sensible purchase everytime, but that's for each enthuthiast to decide. I still don't understand the bitching and bickering about products though, it's bloody petty.
I perceive any bashing he does do as a desire to wish they sorted themselves out, much like wishing ati at times would have sorte themselves out. Swings and roundabouts though with tech companies, as always long development cycles.
Good to see Nvidia trying to keep up. Bottom line is, regardless of cost, Nvidia in general CURRENTLY have the faster product. That doesn't make it the sensible purchase everytime, but that's for each enthuthiast to decide. I still don't understand the bitching and bickering about products though, it's bloody petty.
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“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough”
Albert Einstein
Over-simplification is ignoring important factors due to oversight. That is completely different to explaining complex concepts in simple and concise terms. Concise explanation is not a strength of DM either...
Please don't mis-quote the great Prof. Einstein
And lets not take this thread back to discussing drunkenmaster, or Charlie [green-haired-clown] Demerjian. I already apologised for losing my rag and getting a little too personal with that post you quoted (I note that's the ONLY part of that post you quoted - I made specific and constructive points afterwards, and throughout the rest of the thread).
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He is biased (Similar to Charlie) to some degree.
Everyone in here has a biased opinion in some form no matter how small, but DM is a little more so as he takes the way Nvidia conduct themselves into account, however he is a logical thinker so his post's are mainly driven by logic & numbers collected from different sources which makes him hard to argue against, which coincidently his arguments point to an unfavourable but most probable Nvidia fate in the current, mid, and long-term.
I for one enjoy DM's posts as they are usually pretty informative and insightful.
With regards to the repetition of his responses, well that's because folks keep asking repetitive questions...