Why do you think people don’t like the Police?

PMKeates said:
I have every right to be alive and to peacefully do as I please. Until the law reflects that fact, I'll have nothing to do with it and will deride it at every opportunity.
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The law does in fact protect your right to be alive. I'm sure if someone tried to murder you, you'd invoke The Law on them via the Authorities.
 
semi-pro waster said:
If you're going to ignore what is quite clearly set out then I'm requesting you don't whinge about it because it's unseemly if nothing else - if someone is going to act tough about their disregard for the law then break down like a sap when their actions catch up with them then I lose respect for that. Disregard the law and take your punishment like a stoic or follow the law and you shouldn't run into any problems.
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I think you're confusing whinge with disagree. I don't like it, I don't like it thinking it can decide what's best for me, I don't like it thinking it can decide my fate. Nothing gives it the right to rule over me. It's oppression at it's finest.
semi-pro waster said:
It also depends on what you class as completely peaceful, you may well be a risk to other people even if you've got no intention of harming them therefore for their benefit you must be stopped from your actions.
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There are many current and past crimes that are peaceful in nature. I'm going to pick one in particular - homosexuality. Government approved 'lawful' sterilisation for that one. There's a fundamental flaw in regulating peaceful activity, and that's people create the regulations. It instantly creates inequality when you enforce them.
semi-pro waster said:
You're right, you didn't choose to be born here but perhaps you should move to a place where the law is more conducive to your mindset? Once you've reached the age of majority you have, in effect, acceded to be ruled by the prevailing law in the country as at that point you could move somewhere else which is more to your taste - if you can't find such a place then perhaps it's time to re-examine what or who is the problem here.
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I always love it when people go "you should move". How about no? I have every right to be here as much as anyone else. I, however, don't have a right to control the fate of others, and they don't have the right to control mine.

Whether the law as it is implemented today is right, or not, cannot be determined by it's preeminence as the system in operation in most parts of the world. The Earth WAS flat, once.
semi-pro waster said:
Because we do require some form of regulation to determine what is and is not permissable - you might be a standup guy who'll never harm another and will always help old ladies across the road but your neighbour, well, he's a bit of a git and thieves while beating up people - do we not need something to deal with him?

Law benefits many, it may benefit some more than others but c'est la vie.
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I am all for regulation of non-peaceful activity and enshrining of equality and freedom. I'll admit that 'peaceful' is quite hard to define, but you would be hard pushed to argue that all of our current regulations are 'peace' related. We have many pieces of legislation that are pandering to popular opinion or scaremongering, masquerading as science and necessary controls. This is what I detest.
markweatherill said:
The law does in fact protect your right to be alive. I'm sure if someone tried to murder you, you'd invoke The Law on them via the Authorities.
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The keeping of peace and the law as we have it implemented today are two totally different things.
 
My issue with the police is that you can never take them in the capacity of their profession. With a teacher I can quite happily have a chat with them and disagree easily on certain matters, same with other professions. Such a relationship does not apply with police even though they are servants of the public.

Try proving your point to a cop to see what I mean.

Oh and yes sometimes the public is right. Just had to say that to the dicks who like to blindly defend the cops at every stage of the game.

The idea of police is right and I feel some police officers have the attitude and mentality to deal with it right, but essentially its a bunch of people with the power of the state behind them to enforce sometimes unfair laws with a potential for very unreasonable scopes.
 
PMKeates said:
I, however, don't have a right to control the fate of others, and they don't have the right to control mine.
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I think you'll find that society has the right to control unwanted behaviour for the good of the whole. The criminal justice system is societies way of delegating that responsibility, so in that respect they do have the right to control your fate.
 
Why? because they have be unfairly treated by them at some point.
They are criminals.
They represent authority in society which people love to rebel against.
They protect the interests of the wealthy, ruling classes and bourgeoisie :)
 
Ever seen the psni? All got guns, doenst make me feel safe, makes me wonder who'll shoot first...

Normal police though, just dont like the attitude of some police officers doing it for the power rush (got a mate who was telling us the stories of the people who he has to work with in brum police force)
 
It's a few things. 1. people don't like them due to the amount of time you see them on the roads watching your speed. People like to drive faster than they're allowed to.

2, It's the cool thing to do. Probably stems from the playground mentality and never gets left behind.

3, Chavs and general ***** don't like them.

Personally i have absolute respect for the police. There is the odd occasion when someone within the force messes up and unfortunately this puts a bad stigma on the police force. But I feel most of them are completely capable and do a good job.
 
tres said:
I have a huge amount of respect for the police. Having been out with them for a few days, watching first hand at the rubbish they have to put up with etc. Yeah, you'll get a few power trippy ones, but all in all, they do an incredible job in the face of this country in this day in age
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lol on the Isle of Scilly?
 
Burnsy2023 said:
I think you'll find that society has the right to control unwanted behaviour for the good of the whole. The criminal justice system is societies way of delegating that responsibility, so in that respect they do have the right to control your fate.
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The trouble is that "unwanted" isn't necessarily fair and just. Look at the world we have today - a total freaking mess, for the most part. The vast majority of it ruled by 'law'. The worst places are those that have the most restrictive and punishing and oppressive regulations of peaceful activity by those laws. The most progressive, open, respectful and successful societies are those that have the least control of peaceful activity.

What is "unwanted" by society is not what we should deem it OK to go off creating regulations to enforce. It never was, it isn't, and it never will be. Things will only be close to fair when we are left in peace to live as we want, with the only enforcement and control being made directly for the maintenance of peace.
 
I have phoned the police twice in the last year, once because a kid wa sriding a motorbike around the local park and 2nd because a house alarm nearby had been going off for 5 hours.

in both cases the woman I spoke to said they were too busy to come out to trivial things like that and they would get a plod to have a look if one happened to be passing. Could I have a look and see if there was anyone breaking into the house?

no, I dont like the police.
 
Is it the whiff of bacon that turns people off? :p

(just kidding!)

I think that many people develop a dislike for the police these days when they find out how ineffective they can be... eg: Just been burgled? Get messed about until someone finally turns up a day or two later only for them to do naff all and never catch the culprit (as has happened to several of my neighbours). Yobs throwing bricks at someone's house? Wait until someone gets seriously hurt or killed until someone turns up (sound familiar?).

Apart from that, I think that a lot of public negativity and anger at the police tends to be misplaced. Usually it's actually the CPS or the Judges that make a giant **** up of things, some people just don't know the difference.
 
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Because they read the likes of "The Sun" and other papers and have no idea on the work they actually do. Chavs etc...
 
PMKeates said:
I think you're confusing whinge with disagree. I don't like it, I don't like it thinking it can decide what's best for me, I don't like it thinking it can decide my fate. Nothing gives it the right to rule over me. It's oppression at it's finest.
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Unfortunately for you the law does have the right to control you to an extent, you can complain/disagree/whinge about it as much as you like. There are certain things that I could agree the law might be better off not attempting to regulate but believing that it doesn't have the right is you on a hiding to nothing.

PMKeates said:
There are many current and past crimes that are peaceful in nature. I'm going to pick one in particular - homosexuality. Government approved 'lawful' sterilisation for that one. There's a fundamental flaw in regulating peaceful activity, and that's people create the regulations. It instantly creates inequality when you enforce them.
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That law was wrong and I am of the belief that law should generally be restricted to a minimal interference in others lives wherever possible - that's very different to saying that there is no room for laws and that they should have no jurisdiction over you.

PMKeates said:
I always love it when people go "you should move". How about no? I have every right to be here as much as anyone else. I, however, don't have a right to control the fate of others, and they don't have the right to control mine.
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So don't move then and don't complain about the prevailing law, as I've pointed out beyond the age of majority you've tacitly accepted that you will be governed by the law of the country - if you don't like it then try to find somewhere better. The majority of the country seem to get by just fine with the law we've got - are you really selfish enough to think that your wants override their needs?

PMKeates said:
Whether the law as it is implemented today is right, or not, cannot be determined by it's preeminence as the system in operation in most parts of the world. The Earth WAS flat, once.I am all for regulation of non-peaceful activity and enshrining of equality and freedom. I'll admit that 'peaceful' is quite hard to define, but you would be hard pushed to argue that all of our current regulations are 'peace' related. We have many pieces of legislation that are pandering to popular opinion or scaremongering, masquerading as science and necessary controls. This is what I detest.
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So you're against rubbish laws then? Fine, I'm generally against rubbish laws too but it's a rather different thing to say you've got no respect for the whole institution and call it a flawed concept - some of the laws implemented are flawed, the idea is still just dandy.
 
think they are overpaid and often morons in my experience. no doubt loads of decent police out there and have met some and know a few guys in there who won't completely change a statement to make themselves look good, but far to many do.
 
I'm sure they have a hard job and probably slowly become ****holes the longer they stay in the job. Personally I find them useless whenever I've needed their assistance, i.e. I was mugged once, had my bike stolen, beaten on camera in a club once and nothing ever came of any of these reported instances.

The moment I've been caught speeding however, 35 in a 30 (Perfectly safe road not near a school) etc they treat you like the scum of the earth! I've been threatened to have the dogs let on me for riding my bike on a pavement before! Seriously nuts some of them.
 
I have only had a problem with one Police Officer I have spoken to, and I can't dislike the whole force because of one single person. Otherwise I'd hate the whole of Human kind.

I respect police and the job they do, it's not their fault they have far too much paper work to do, most of the time.
 
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