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HummuH1 said:
Thanks to Alex for the game last night.

Dude, how the **** did you have like 5 expansions up when i had just completed my first! LoL.

There was me banging away, 1s, 2ddaa, 3d; thinking I had a nice wee MMM + G ball to do some damage and hey presto, 1 billion stalkers and zealots trundle in and smash my pasty.

So much to learn.....
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:p was building probes most of the way through the game until i had more resources than i knew what to do with. Once I had my first expo up my economy basically doubled. Ideally you'd scout it and either expand yourself and keep up with mules or build some more units and just come to kill me :cool:.

When I tech to templar i tend to overproduce them (can never get enough psi storms :p), so i end up with stupid amounts of minerals and not a lot of gas, hence the extra expansions and ridiculous number of gateways :p
 
I would say tbh that the few zergs that stuck with it, are just better players than most Terrans.

When we get to ro8, ro4, we'll start to see how balance plays out.
 
played the stoopidest game last night....guy requested no rushing at the start which i agreed to as i prefer building my forces anyway...after a few minutes a shed load of marines show up and turn me over....

cant believe i was so stupid to go along with it...wont be doing that again...

there really is nothing better than coming back from nearly losing to win. a game a few days ago i was pretty much wiped out but had floated my expansion off to a quiet corner and got a barracks up quickly. i guess he had stopped producing as he thought it was GG...it wasnt! managed to get a decent force together while he took a while destroying my remaining buildings (had flown a barracks off to the other corner as a decoy) and thanks to a sole banshee i had remaining from the first conflict managed to wipe him out...he must have hated it!!! so satisfying.
 
H2F Scott said:
It is elitist, that's the nature of the site. However just because you're new they won't shun you. If you make good posts you'll be respected, which isn't so bad I guess. They only really call out the new guys who post stupid crap, especially when they make fun of Broodwar.
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Oh i know they won't shun me.. I've read the forums there for a while and i just don't like the way the newbies get shunned. sure they make daft posts sometimes but doesn't give them reasonto flame. I prefer more constructive comments, but thats just the nature of me i suppose.

kar said:
I would say tbh that the few zergs that stuck with it, are just better players than most Terrans.

When we get to ro8, ro4, we'll start to see how balance plays out.
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Yeah i think you're right there, I havn't been beaten by a Terran on the ladder yet unless they have gone for Hellion into Banshee harass or were just extreamly good!.. I've been beating rank 1-10 Diamond Terrans where as before i was losing to low Diamond and sometimes Platinumn Terrans... I think because they had it so faceroll (to an extent) before, a lot of them now think its imbalanced.

Kinda goes to show though, how much a +1 range upgrade can make to the game... Hydra/Roach combo is now quite strong, where as before it was unusable unless you could pump from 3 bases.

Yeah i Agree, we'll see how the final rounds come out, thats where all the good stuff is :)
 
It's really both, terran has to harass zerg early game to prevent zerg from droning up and surpassing terran economically. Reaper harass is dead and helion harass is not as effective anymore because of the roach range increase (helions can still do lots of damage with proper micro, its just easier for zerg to fend off that harass now).

For me mech still is strong but it works only if I do enough damage with initial helion harass, if I just let zerg drone up I will lose.
 
I'm having success with Thors/blue flame helions and a few marines vs Zerg,but if my 1st push fails,then I instantly lose as my macro is still terrible.

I'm slowly climbing up the ladder though,1300 points in Diamond and my worst matchup is TvT atm,hate tanks/vikings,it's too boring.Still trying to figure how to end it before it goes into mass tanks+vikings.
 
yeah very good point, early damage is a must. If we lose drones it slows our tech, and then we can just get rolled without T2 support.
 
Personally I think indirectly the roach buff has made mutas a bit OP.

Before you could keep a grip on Zerg economy and stop them massing too many mutas. But now they are much stronger in the early game it's pretty tough to apply enough pressure into the mid game to surpress muta numbers.

And once zergies get 12 + it becomes real tough to keep up economically with Zerg as they have such good map control.
 
Arrgh, just lost 5 games in a row. There comes my chances of a promo to diamond! Been stuck in top 1-4 of plat for a week now. Doesn't help that I can beat about 1 zerg in 10, usually when they're playing badly!

I just can't get the hang of hellion harass at the start. Don't seem to be quick enough to get them out before they get surrounded. And if I'm not on creep there's nothing to kill??

Then 8 mins in to the game mutas pop, and it's pretty much gg as I end up devoting all my time to trying to contain the harass. Even if I fight it off I end up facing a zerg on 1-2 more bases than me and they just macro up and run away with it.
 
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Milkybk said:
I played a few practice rounds with Zerg over the weekend. It's so hard to keep up with all the lava injections!

Played as Protoss for a bit too. I remember all my build orders but my macro has totally gone. Doesn't help I've forgotten hot keys for P too!
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Im useless with my lava injections, i think i need to change my hotkeys around a little bit to favour queens on 5-7 and my hatches all on one. currently use all my hatches on 4-7 onwards, without hotkeying the queens.

Not gonna do this untill next week though, don't wana change my gameplay before Friday,
 
Isn't there a trick where you group all queens in 1 group select larva inject and then click on the minimap on your hatchery, that make the closes queen to that hatchery to come and inject larva.
 
Is anyone else finding that recently it just about pure rush and cheese tactics???

That's about 10 games in the last 15 i've played where protoss have just cannon rushed me. Whilst I can hold off and get rid of the initial rush, there just seems to then follow more workers building pylons and cannons faster that I can kill them with my scv's (whilst trying to build a barracks) It's getting so boring!

Don't get me wrong - it's part of the game - but it's just frustratingly boring and annoying when you know it's coming almost but i can't seem to stop it - despite trying various bunker/barracks builds to stop it!
 
feedtheram said:
played the stoopidest game last night....guy requested no rushing at the start which i agreed to as i prefer building my forces anyway...after a few minutes a shed load of marines show up and turn me over....

cant believe i was so stupid to go along with it...wont be doing that again...
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yes you are an idiot.

epic 3v3 last night, thought we were well and trully ****ed - lost every building on 2 teams so I attacked with 2 thors and all my suvs agsint a very strong 2 zealot army, did some good damage but felt we had no chance so GG'd only for my teammate to somehow managed to clinche the win with some tanks and thors....was a bit mad.

still no idea how he managed to do it.
 
feedtheram said:
played the stoopidest game last night....guy requested no rushing at the start which i agreed to as i prefer building my forces anyway...after a few minutes a shed load of marines show up and turn me over....

cant believe i was so stupid to go along with it...wont be doing that again...

there really is nothing better than coming back from nearly losing to win. a game a few days ago i was pretty much wiped out but had floated my expansion off to a quiet corner and got a barracks up quickly. i guess he had stopped producing as he thought it was GG...it wasnt! managed to get a decent force together while he took a while destroying my remaining buildings (had flown a barracks off to the other corner as a decoy) and thanks to a sole banshee i had remaining from the first conflict managed to wipe him out...he must have hated it!!! so satisfying.
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No worse than when I used to say "game disconnected" (or along those lines anyway) - and then lift off my base and hide in the corner. Worked almost every time - other player would quit :)
 
Nerusy said:
Isn't there a trick where you group all queens in 1 group select larva inject and then click on the minimap on your hatchery, that make the closes queen to that hatchery to come and inject larva.
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ohh never thought about that, might give it a try, i don't use the minimap that often for macro, i quite like to double tap.. worth a shot, cheers dude!
 
Indie said:
ohh never thought about that, might give it a try, i don't use the minimap that often for macro, i quite like to double tap.. worth a shot, cheers dude!
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Far be it from me to give advice to someone who is far more skilled than I, but I can confirm that hotkeying all your Queens to one hot key then inject Larvae clicking on the mini-map will send the nearest queen to dump her stuff!

Indie - I did download some of your replays to help a lowly Zerg and I wondered how you hot-keyed your Queens as I could only see hatches now I know!

I find the mini-map to be quite forgiving, you only need to be reasonably accurate selecting the hatch for the larvae inject to work. It's helpful when your focusing on a battle at the opponents base.
 
WriteThatD0wn said:
Far be it from me to give advice to someone who is far more skilled than I, but I can confirm that hotkeying all your Queens to one hot key then inject Larvae clicking on the mini-map will send the nearest queen to dump her stuff!

Indie - I did download some of your replays to help a lowly Zerg and I wondered how you hot-keyed your Queens as I could only see hatches now I know!

I find the mini-map to be quite forgiving, you only need to be reasonably accurate selecting the hatch for the larvae inject to work. It's helpful when your focusing on a battle at the opponents base.
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Oh.. so you can do it by clicking the mini map, not having to go back to your base and click? jebus christ i didn't think it could be done like that, i've been doing it the hard way ^^
and your well within your rights to give advice, i evidently need it, no matter how good i am.. i just can't believe i didn't know about it!! lol what a muppet!

Yeah i don't hotkey my queens, mainly because i single hotkey my hatches, old brood war style, couldn't shake the habit, but think i need too.

Cheers for this dude, really appreciate it! think i might actually start practising it tonight ^^

Anybody for a couple of games to give me a hand? :)

Also still looking for some good Zergs to practise against in prep for Friday!
 
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