Do you believe in Life after Death.

To answer the OP:

I don't do belief.

There's some highly dubious evidence of what might be some sort of afterlife but which could easily be generated within our own minds. We know that the latter is possible. We don't know that the former is. So I think that this evidence is not evidence of an afterlife.

A common belief is an afterlife that cannot affect this life. Which is neatly created by people as an untestable hypothesis.

Maybe there's some form of life after death. There's no evidence of it, but what the hell. Maybe it's there anyway. It's possible that this universe is a total immersion video game and when we die we return to the real world. Which, of course, might be a total immersion video game. All sorts of things are possible, with varying degrees of probability.
 
The thing about life after death scenarios is that we will all eventually see the truth of it.

I would like to see Richard Dawkins at the Gateway to Heaven looking at St Peter and saying to himself...."oh ****!"

heehee.
 
All I know is that none of us can possibly know one way or the other.

The fact that we are even here in the first place is a miracle, and a short one at that, so enjoy it while it lasts.
 
dmpoole said:
I'd like to ask the believers which dead souls/life forces are allowed into the Life After Death club?
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From the islamic perspective, every single soul will be raised up and have to account for itself and then continue to exist thereafter.

dmpoole said:
Is it only humans or every living thing that has ever lived on the Earth?
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Human beings and Jinn are the only ones who will be judged, they are the only 2 creation of God mentioned that have been given free-will or the ability to choose. Jinn also exist on earth but do not exist in our dimension of space/time therefore, cannot be seen by our physical eyes. Satan/Lucifer/Iblis is a Jinn. There are some methods/rituals that can be performed where human-jinn interaction is possible but it is totally forbidden in Islam. Such rituals though are normally kept secret and passed down within certain groups, and done for power. You would be suprised that such rituals go on today sometimes in plain sight but most the population are oblivious to it. There are no such things in Islam as the dead haunting people, or people communicating with the dead in a seance, it is all the work of Jinn deceiving people.

dmpoole said:
Why at the last count was there 6,781 people who claimed to be Henry VIII and 1,376 who claimed to be Elvis?Can they all be mad or does the soul/life force split up into multiple parts?
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They were either liars, mentally ill etc. Henry VIII or Elvis certainly didn't come back from the dead and go through this life again, you only get 1 chance in this life.

dmpoole said:
If in the LAD Club you are yourself how long does it go on for and where do you stay?
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Our perception of time will completely change after our death. Imagine someone living their whole life with a blindfold on, when they are raised after death they will finally see things as they really are, and most will be in a state of absolute horror because they will already know their own outcome. The current life in the Quran is regarded as:
1- a test
2- a trial
3- play and amusement
4- a deceving enjoyment
5- a delusion

The real everlasting life will be the next one.
 
e36Adz, without wishing to be inflammatory (hard when talking about someone's personal beliefs), you have stated your chosen interpretation of your religion, but how do you personally quantify the statements?

Is it enough that somebody else has written down the words that you have interpreted into the above meaning that you can place a faith in it as fact? Or do you have doubts?

Personally, there is absolutely nothing I can find in any religious description of personal judgement and eventual salvation or damnation that I can quantify. Now of course i am looking for answers within my own reality and perception and, at a stretch (at a stretch anything can be made to be possible) I suppose these things could exist outside of what I can currently perceive, but it has to be that what makes us, us, in this reality, i.e. the energy and matter of who we are, MUST be transposed to this new existence for our continuation to occur.

There is absolutely no evidence of this, and disregarding the idea that I can't measure or quantify any of this until I am actually dead (in which case any argument is utterly moot so I chose to ignore that option for the sake of the argument), I wonder how you so confidently make the statements you have, such as the fact that our perception of time will completely change.

Time is time is time, it is a human construct to allow us to quantify something which doesn't exist. It exists as a concept because we do. Time cannot be slowed or sped up, only the speed at which the occurrences we perceive and measure against time happen.

Again, I know it's hard to ever question somebodies faith without being inflammatory, but I am genuinely interested to read peoples thought processes on why they believe in things they cannot even start to quantify as being true other than through hearsay and others (and their own) imaginings.
 
I do believe in life after death and death doesnt scare me I just hope it isnt a horrible one. In fact death excites me, I often fantasise over death, all the different ways you can die, for me at the moment hypoxia is favorite.
I remember seeing a air crash investigation program where where the cabin crew forgot to set the air cabin switch to auto and as the jet climbed fresh air didnt get pumped into the cabin as it should have done, everyone on board died & I remember the narrator saying ' hypoxia is no more painfull than going to sleep '
I will welcome death with open arms.
 
dal said:
I do believe in life after death and death doesnt scare me I just hope it isnt a horrible one. In fact death excites me, I often fantasise over death, all the different ways you can die, for me at the moment hypoxia is favorite.
I remember seeing a air crash investigation program where where the cabin crew forgot to set the air cabin switch to auto and as the jet climbed fresh air didnt get pumped into the cabin as it should have done, everyone on board died & I remember the narrator saying ' hypoxia is no more painfull than going to sleep '
I will welcome death with open arms.
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Where is your unshakable belief coming from? Genuinely? What are your reasons and thought processes?

And assuming you re-evaluate them, concluding that an after-life is in fact more unlikely than likely, will this change your outlook on the end of your existence?

If, when you are dead, you are dead and there is nothing more, will this make you appreciate life more?
 
Read most of this thread. I'm firmly in the Death = Rotting in the ground camp.

All of these definitions and reasoning's behind life after death seem completely nuts when you stand back and look at them.

Hundreds of billions being resurrected and judged? Seriously?
 
Castiel said:
The thing about life after death scenarios is that we will all eventually see the truth of it.

I would like to see Richard Dawkins at the Gateway to Heaven looking at St Peter and saying to himself...."oh ****!"

heehee.
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I'd quite like if God turned out to be a feminist and sent everybody who worshipped a male God to hell. Not for any particular reason, I just think it'd be hilarious to see Pascal's wager turned on its head like that.
 
Manic man, your post didn't come across at all as inflammatory.

Firstly, I would say the main 2 religions that I personally have looked into are Christianity and Islam. Hinduism and Judaism far less so. Being brought up as a muslim I was taught certain things, many of which I later rejected. I had to look into Islam myself to actually consciously accept it.

Please read my previous posts in this thread, I do not believe that everything can be measured scientifically or observed. If you solely rely on external knowledge I strongly believe in this age that we live, you will be massively deceived. I am happy to speak to you in more detail on msn as I don't wish to take this thread off topic once again. :)
 
e36Adz said:
The real everlasting life will be the next one.
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Sorry to pounce on a single line, but this idea has always fascinated me. You ask a monotheist what happens after death and you get various drivel about heaven, judgement, blah, blah, but you then get to eternal life in hell suffering eternal torment, or in heaven spending eternity worshipping and thanking your creator for creating you.

Let's pretend that you wouldn't get bored of constant and unceasing thanks after the first 100,000,000 years in heaven, and pose the question, why do we die at all? What's the purpose of our mortal life, and eventually death? So we can live forever? Why couldn't the judgement take place during some part of our eternal life, and the 'test' be the first part of that?

Interviewer: Why do we die?

Monotheist: So we can live forever.

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manic man said:
why they believe in things they cannot even start to quantify as being true other than through hearsay and others (and their own) imaginings
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Sorry but that is an incredibly stupid thing to say.

Its amazing...but as long as a person says something predictable and safe (ie square peg knowledge ;) ) then everybody agrees and pats each other on the back. As soon as someone dares to mention something different its the salem witch trials all over again...

Square pegs dont fit in round holes no matter how hard you bang that hammer.
 
manic_man said:
Where is your unshakable belief coming from? Genuinely? What are your reasons and thought processes?

And assuming you re-evaluate them, concluding that an after-life is in fact more unlikely than likely, will this change your outlook on the end of your existence?

If, when you are dead, you are dead and there is nothing more, will this make you appreciate life more?
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It is my belief that this cant really be life, it must be some sort of rehearsal ( contrary to the popular saying life is not a rehearsal)
When I am dead if that is truely the end then maybe someone will remember me, maybe not.... I have/am suffering from mild depression so some of what I said must stem from that.
I really do believe there is a afterlife I have no reasoning for this it's just a belief, but I have believed in it for many years and because no one can prove/ disprove this then it will allways stand.
 
With a certain amount of circumspection it makes clear common sense to believe in God and thereby and afterlife and live your life in accordance with your beliefs.



If you live your life not believing in God, you die it turns out God exists then you suffer for that (many religions have not so nice consequences for unbelievers).

However for the devout believer in God - his lifelong belief and faith is justified and bestowed upon them is various rewards (depending on which religion).

So then you might say - ahh but what if there is no god, you die and there is nothing (because brain conditions dont exist = you dead) You have no awareness, no consciousness...you are just wormfood.

THEN the unbeliever might say "i win" The believer will have wasted his life? The problem with that argument is that both the unbeliever and the believer will be non-conscious wormfood so who will be aware to congratulate themselves on being right?

Basically its a win, win situation for the Believer.

Unless of course.... you are a Christian and when you die you find out that your God wasnt the real God...you followed a false religion and that the Hindu religion was the RIGHT and TRUE religion...

Yeah you're screwed then.

I mean what are the odds that your religion will be the right one? That the one you believe in is true....what is probably the case is that there is some kind of God (you probably) but they have nothing whatsoever to do with all these religions (or all religions have fragments of truth of God).

See you on the other side ;)
 
This is a topic where I can humbly admit I do not have even a hint of a clue as what might happen to me when I die. The thought of my conciousness ceasing to exist is too frightening for me to comprehend.

As much as I am scared of dying, it'll be great to find out the answer... or not as it may be :eek:
 
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