Do you believe in Life after Death.
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So close to sigging that.
On a slightly more serious note, your inability to comprehend my points doesn't make them nonsense.
I believe in life after death, is that what you want to hear?
I was meaning it is impossible to prove it. But well done for misunderstanding me.
I understand your points, but they are complete tosh. You have no proof of an afterlife, you claim that because people believe in seances that gives certain proof that there is an afterlife and we all used to be cows, or were ants before that, or perhaps I was an oak tree. There is no scientific reason for an afterlife, not a shed of evidence which points that way at all. Your inability to see sense is dangerous.
I can't speak for others but i don't have a religious background, my parents and brothers and sisters never attended church or any other religious house as far as i can remember. We were poor, both financialy and spiritualy. I'm a layman, just checking things out for myself later in life.
Reference works give credence to such an alleged close kinship of certain animals with humans. The World Book Encyclopedia, for example, says human beings, along with apes, lemurs, monkeys, and tarsiers, make up the order of mammals called primates.Yet, the fact is, humans are brimming with unique traits that do not fit the animal mold. Among these are love, conscience, morality, spirituality, justice, mercy, humor, creativity, awareness of time, self-awareness, aesthetic appreciation, concern for the future, the ability to accumulate knowledge over generations, and the hope that death is not the ultimate end of our existence. The Bible teaches that God created humans for a purpose beyond simply breeding. We were made in God's image, with the capacity to reflect his attributes, especially love, justice, wisdom, and power. Add the unique traits of humans that were mentioned earlier, and it becomes clear why the Bible sets humans above animals.
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Why should that matter? Science is about human understanding. We are talking about the causal structure of the universe in an absolute sense. This goes way beyond human scientific research.
Once again, there's loads of evidence everywhere, but because it's not accepted by science, you're discounting it. Realise that scientific explanation relies on someone else's understanding, not your own. Start thinking about what you believe rather than what you're told is real, especially since science keeps changing its opinion.
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I thought it was more to do with them being a very simple people with a low IQ who would believe anything their elders told them.
Funny how we look at most of their beliefs as utter tosh now but for some reason you are willing to hang on to the life after death one.
Of course science matters, we are discussing the possibility of an afterlife and souls. Science does not accept that these things exist as there is no proof that they are there and anything to suggest that there is but we are unable to see it at the moment.
Where's this evidence then? A seance is not evidence of an afterlife, it's a common trick utilised by conmen the World over to relieve wads of cash from the foolish who believe in it.
I believe that there is no afterlife, why don't you start listening to facts and reasoned arguments as oppose to just living in lala land.
Science isn't based on opinion it is based on hard certifiable evidence which has been tested and creates conclusions which can be confirmed.
I want whatever it is you're smoking
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Ahleckz, stop arguing with ad hominem crap and put forward a good argument, aside from "Science doesn't say it's there so don't be a retard and listen to me."
Science doesn't believe in souls most likely because it doesn't know what to look for to even consider the possibility of something that many describe as their soul exists. When you say something doesn't exist because there is no evidence it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'm not talking about God as I don't believe in it but what I mean to say is that if something doesn't exist because there is no evidence of it, that then means that there is nothing left to discover or prove scientifically because there is no evidence for things which aren't discovered yet. So I think you must open your mind to the possibility that such things as souls and the afterlife may exist and stop creating fact from your own opinion.
Science doesn't believe in souls most likely because it doesn't know what to look for to even consider the possibility of something that many describe as their soul exists. When you say something doesn't exist because there is no evidence it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I'm not talking about God as I don't believe in it but what I mean to say is that if something doesn't exist because there is no evidence of it, that then means that there is nothing left to discover or prove scientifically because there is no evidence for things which aren't discovered yet. So I think you must open your mind to the possibility that such things as souls and the afterlife may exist and stop creating fact from your own opinion.
This would be nice, though, lights out is lights out i think, game over, no re-spawns.
interesting fact 101
the pineal gland begins to excrete DMT in the human fetus after 49 days of conception.
Rick Strassman, M.D suggests that the pineal gland is the seat of the human soul.
( book Here it is an amazing read)
Buddhist religion states that the human soul leaves the body 49 days after death
Coincidence?
I am currently reading the above book and it is extremely thought provoking to say the least.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine
Dmt is created in the human body is found to nearly all plants and is also the most potent hallucinogen known to man.
the pineal gland begins to excrete DMT in the human fetus after 49 days of conception.
Rick Strassman, M.D suggests that the pineal gland is the seat of the human soul.
( book Here it is an amazing read)
Buddhist religion states that the human soul leaves the body 49 days after death
Coincidence?
I am currently reading the above book and it is extremely thought provoking to say the least.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine
Dmt is created in the human body is found to nearly all plants and is also the most potent hallucinogen known to man.
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Going by that view no one will feel any disappointment because they won't exist to feel emotion.
Science doesn't actually have an opinion on it at all, as it can neither prove or disprove the myriad of hypotheses that people have surrounding the subject, be it religious or not. Parapsychology is so far pretty open minded on the subject, and has yet not come up with any definitive answers either way.
To try to co-opt science into supporting your disbelief is a little arrogant.
Let us take Memetics for example, there is no evidence to support such a theory, it simply fits a gap in our knowledge. It is a concept, the same as the afterlife is a concept.
Does anyone actually realise that a belief in an afterlife, be it some corporeal resurrection or just a transformation of your unique energy or whatever you believe doesn't necessarily have anything to do with Religion or even God.
Those who go on about science can't prove it so it doesn't exist are just as bad as the 7 levels of hell lot.
In fact many scientists do support the idea that conciousness could transcend corporeal life, Einstein and Schrödinger both conjectured the possibility.
An Afterlife doesn't necessarily have to be some supernatural construct, like the multi-verse predicted by quantum physics, the survival of some part of conciousness is not outside the realms of natural possibility.
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well i agree with the answer
... however by accepting that type of answer...ie God would look more kindly upon an honest unbeliever rather than a dishonest believer "huckster" type playing the odds. (ie a scientist when they ask where is the evidence)
You open yourself to the argument that science cannot ask religion for evidence of God's existence because its a doubting Thomas situation. Happy are those who believe without asking for piece after piece after piece of evidence. It gets to the point that when you are happy to accept God's Existence (or indeed life after death) based on innumerable pieces of scientific facts/evidence then is ones belief not based on God but based upon W, X, Y, Z evidence. So in a sense *spurious*. God isnt part of the equation at all. God is merely the end result of a scientific reasoning process. Belief in something is a matter of faith in that something its nothing to do with scientific facts.
Basically for someone who believes: they believe IN God they dont believe THAT God exists. (hope you get what i say there)
See my other answer. I agree it is pointless going through the motions and believing THAT God exists based on X scientific evidence because believing THAT God exists isnt the same kettle of fish as believing IN God
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How about this.
There is one true God. That God is everything, yourself, the air. Gods hands brought together the atoms of all the elements and created us Humans. Gods hands are mavity.
Evolution is random, just like Gods thoughts. Just like our thoughts. We are God.
Heh
There is one true God. That God is everything, yourself, the air. Gods hands brought together the atoms of all the elements and created us Humans. Gods hands are mavity.
Evolution is random, just like Gods thoughts. Just like our thoughts. We are God.
Heh