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How does the GTX 580 compare to the GTX 480

Wilks i got my 6870 today and am very happy with it so far. I done a run on cod bo with fraps and the gameplay was very smooth averaging 84fps through 1 level at max settings with 4xaa. My resolution is also pretty high at 1920x1200.

All in all the 6870 seems like a pretty solid card. Its no gtx580 but i reckon for todays gaming it will play almost anything at high settings. I don't see any games on the horizon that the 6870 won't play well.
 
Yup, was about to post some reviews there of the 6870, but I don't think where allowed to mention some of these sites :(

But it really does seem like an excellent card for the money. Seems to handle all games really well at 1920x1200 as well.
 
I'm looking at saving a bit of cash, so will probably leave the IPS for now.

I have decided not to go for the Dreadnought 480 as I believe that the price of this particular card may drop soon. Also, the Dreadnought 580 is seemingly out of my price range :( I'm finding it REALLY hard to lower my expectations but I fear I must!

I'm looking at the following 2 systems. The Ultima Viper and the Titan Aurora.

If you add Windows 7, 40GB SSD drive and the 6870 (not overclocked) the costs are:

Viper - £1220.33
Aurora - £1018.33

So the breakdown of pros and cons is:

Case: Viper (I love the Antec 902 for looks and the cooling is better than the Aurora case)
PSU: Aurora Corsair TX 750W vs Titan Corsair TX 650W
CPU: Viper i7 950 3.06 GHz vs Aurora i5 750 2.8 GHz
RAM: Viper 6GB (1600MHz) vs Aurora 4GB (1600MHz)
HDD: Viper 1TB (7200rpm) vs Aurora 2TB (5400rpm)

The Aurora is undoubtly a better system, but as you say the gaming performance may not equate to £200 better. I do feel it's a better looking system though - thoughts?

Also, with the Viper for an extra £12.77 I could get an OVERCLOCKED 470. I know they are hotter and noisier, but aren't they great overclockers? Would this be a good comprimise?
 
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Wilks i got my 6870 today and am very happy with it so far. I done a run on cod bo with fraps and the gameplay was very smooth averaging 84fps through 1 level at max settings with 4xaa. My resolution is also pretty high at 1920x1200.

All in all the 6870 seems like a pretty solid card. Its no gtx580 but i reckon for todays gaming it will play almost anything at high settings. I don't see any games on the horizon that the 6870 won't play well.

Thanks mate - I think I may have to lower my sights as I say - this could be the card.
 
I'm looking at saving a bit of cash, so will probably leave the IPS for now.

I have decided not to go for the Dreadnought 480 as I believe that the price of this particular card may drop soon. Also, the Dreadnought 580 is seemingly out of my price range :( I'm finding it REALLY hard to lower my expectations but I fear I must!

I'm looking at the following 2 systems. The Ultima Viper and the Titan Aurora.

If you add Windows 7, 40GB SSD drive and the 6870 (not overclocked) the costs are:

Viper - £1220.33
Aurora - £1018.33

So the breakdown of pros and cons is:

Case: Viper (I love the Antec 902 for looks and the cooling is better than the Aurora case)
PSU: Aurora Corsair TX 750W vs Titan Corsair TX 650W
CPU: Viper i7 950 3.06 GHz vs Aurora i5 750 2.8 GHz
RAM: Viper 6GB (1600MHz) vs Aurora 4GB (1600MHz)
HDD: Viper 1TB (7200rpm) vs Aurora 2TB (5400rpm)

The Aurora is undoubtly a better system, but as you say the gaming performance may not equate to £200 better. I do feel it's a better looking system though - thoughts?

Also, with the Viper for an extra £12.77 I could get an OVERCLOCKED 470. I know they are hotter and noisier, but aren't they great overclockers? Would this be a good comprimise?

O right ok, no worries.

Yup as you said the Aurora is a better system overall in general but when it comes down to gaming (which from what you have stated is going to be your main thing/use for the pc), there is really no difference at all between them excluding the GPUs. I am not too sure if I can post some of the review sites on this forum, so if you just type in on google probably something like i5 VS i7 for gaming, triple channel VS dual channel gaming, 6GB VS 4GB gaming and 1156 VS 1366 gaming, you will see other forums and expert reviews on what they think.

Case is down to what you like, both are good enough for cooling and probably roughly the same noise level depending on what you put the fan settings to, although obviously the 902 is better overall. I have an antec sonata with only the 1 default back fan (120mm on low) and for me my temps for the CPU cores at max are around 67 degrees, GPU 73 degrees (haven't cleaned the dust from my GPU for ages now :p) and hard drives (3) are around 31 degrees, now those are the max temperatures they go to when playing games and everything is at stock.

PSU, both should do for now as obviously OCUK won't put a crap one in with those systems considering there overclocked as well, and they should both support a 580 if you did buy one in the future although you might need to drop the overclock a bit maybe with the 650W one, someone will need to confirm about that as I am not knowledgeable enough when it comes to overclocking :p

For the hard drives, obviously the aurora has a faster hard drive (7200rpm), but I am sure that the 2TB would do for games as apparently those new samsung ones perform really well, and you might even put your most played game on your SSD. Plus the hard drive storage would come in handy as well.

Personally if it where me I would save the money and go for the aurora with the i5 750 and if you really want to have the 902 case, you could try giving them a ring to see if they could use that case instead or even another one of your choice.

BTW the CPUs are both overclocked to 4.00GHz.

As for the GPU, in all honesty I think the 6870 would be the perfect card now that you don't want to spend as much and it really should play pretty much all games on max settings at 1920x1080 (with maybe slightly lower AA and AAA, although at 1920x1080, you don't really need to have a large amount of AA on anyway, it's more so for my type of resolution that you would need it 1280x1024)

Yup, I think the 470 is good for overclocking and the performance, but as you and I have stated, require more power, produce more heat and noise, but it would be a better card than the 6870 when it comes to performance.

Suppose what you could try and do is ring OCUK tomorrow and ask them if they would:

1. Let you have the main components from the aurora (CPU [i5 750], motherboard, RAM, cooler, optical drive)

2. To include the 470 instead of the 6870 (if you want it instead)

3. And if you do want the 470 instead then to include the 750W PSU unit instead of the 650W as the 470 is more power hungry and the rest of the system is overclocked, just to be on the safe side (but someone else or OCUK could tell you if that is really needed)

4. And choose your hard drive out of the 2 that you would prefer (if you don't need that much storage then probably get the faster one 7200RPM, if you are going to be installing the majority of games on it instead of the SSD, which is most likely considering the size of it, and 1TB would be enough for just games and the odd video/films etc.)

The i7 and triple channel 6GB RAM really would only come in handy if you do encoding and other really CPU intensive stuff.

Honestly you would see a much better/bigger difference by getting the i5 etc. and getting a better GPU, but again the 6870 really should be good enough for now.

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Also I think the i5 1156 setup is more power efficient :p

I know it is when at stock clocks, but not too sure how it compares to the i7, 1366 setup when overclocked, but I am pretty sure it would still use a lot more power than the i5, 1156 setup.
 
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Thanks once more mate - why isn't buying computers simple!!

Anytime :)

Haha :p, I know, it's terrible, always trying to future proof the system as much as possible, get the best you can for the budget that some of us have and having to choose between 2 very close performing components etc. and then knowing that it will all be classified as outdated/old tech next year and entire new components with new chipsets will be released :mad: :(

:p

When ever I was looking at getting a new PC it was either:

i7 920
6GB RAM

But I would have had to have got a better PSU in the end as well just to be on the safe side as well as a better case for the cooling.

Or:

i5 750
4GB RAM

And after much research and reading, decided that the i5 750 with 4GB of RAM was the better choice in the end, more power efficient, less heat produced as well as saving me a lot of money in the end (mainly due to not having to buy a new case and PSU) and the main thing being that there was no difference between the setups for my use (gaming, browsing, watching blu rays etc.) and just thinking there actually, iirc the i5 750 performs better than some of the i7 chips in games due to the turbo boost amongst other things, yup just had a quick look there and it does in most games, although not by an awful lot, but still cheaper overall and performs better with the lower heat output etc.

As I have said before many times now :p, the GPU is where you will see the bigger difference for nearly all the games especially ones like COD etc. and you wouldn't want to get anything below a 6870 1GB (which personally I think is the ideal card for now)


One more thing, have you had a look at this monitor at all:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-033-BQ&groupid=17&catid=510&subcat=

Not much more expensive than the one your looking at and plus overall I think the benq is suppose to be the better monitor, also judging by the user reviews :p
 
I snapped up the Samsung monitor today mate. OC had a "B Class" model for £129, which I snapped up (a very sizeable saving!)

I think I'm set on the Aurora (i5, SSD, Win 7) as if I were to go for the Viper, then I may as well go for the Dreadnought, and if I did that I may as well for for the 580 etc etc, which leads to me being muchos skint!

I think it is simply deciding on the GPU that is the issue. Many think that the 470 is the better card and will provide a faster experience when overclocked. However, I won't be overclocking myself as I don't know how (lol), so would be relying on the OC overclocks in-store. Any idea how much faster these are?

Also, the 5870 isn't too much dearer than the 6870/470 - thoughts on this?

The lad I spoke to at OC today said that he thought the 470 was a better card than the 6870 for gaming due to PhysX and some other technology - plus his opinion was that the 470 was slightly faster. He also, said that the heat and noise was overrated by fans of the other brand.

I think that 480 and upwards is pushing the budget, so have downscaled my ambitions from before.

Help :)
 
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I snapped up the Samsung monitor today mate. OC had a "B Class" model for 129 notes, which I snapped up (a very sizeable saving!)

Wow :eek:, very nice saving there indeed, yup better deal than the benq that is now :)

I think I'm set on the Aurora (i5, SSD, Win 7) as if I were to go for the Viper, then I may as well go for the Dreadnought, and if I did that I may as well for for the 580 etc etc, which leads to me being muchos skint!

Ok, good choice :) and yeah as you said you might as well go for the dreadnought etc. if you where considering the viper and co.

Trust me you won't be disappointed with it and it should last you a good few years for gaming and will blow COD and BFBC 2 out of the water :)

I think it is simply deciding on the GPU that is the issue. Many think that the 470 is the better card and will provide a faster experience when overclocked. However, I won't be overclocking myself as I don't know how (lol), so would be relying on the OC overclocks in-store. Any idea how much faster these are?

The 470 is a better card when it comes down to overall performance and if overclocked then yes it will probably be better, but I do not know how well the 6870 overclocks so it could be pretty good as well.

Lol, I don't know much about overclocking either, just the basics, and IMO with our type of setup (i5 etc.) it would be my last resort once games start to struggle due to CPU or RAM. My setup is all at stock and can play all games at max settings but with the AA and AAA dropped in some like crysis and metro and BFBC 2, but COD MAXED :p and that is only due to my GPU limiting me playing the games on absolute full whack.

As for how much overclocking adds to performance, it will add a good bit when you overclock by substantial amount e.g. your i5 being overclocked to 4GHz but you won't see any difference for the RAM being overclocked from 1333MHz to 1600MHz.

Also, the 5870 isn't too much dearer than the 6870/470 - thoughts on this?

Personally I wouldn't really touch the 5870 now either due to the 6870 being nearly as fast as it at stock clocks, you will get better support now with the 6870 and the 6870 also has a bit better tessellation than the 5870 and also of course less heat, noise and power, have a look at this thread:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18208124

The lad I spoke to at OC today said that he thought the 470 was a better card than the 6870 for gaming due to PhysX and some other technology - plus his opinion was that the 470 was slightly faster. He also, said that the heat and noise was overrated by fans of the other brand.

I think that 480 and upwards is pushing the budget, so have downscaled my ambitions from before.

Help :)

Lol, getting a nvidia card just for physx is not worth it IMO (even though your nvidia fanboys may disagree :rolleyes:), but that is up to you if you want to have those wee extra effects, however it will also drop the FPS by a bit as well, and sometimes apparently the physx effects are not worth it at all e.g. mafia 2

As for CUDA, iirc that is more for encoding purposes and should not have any effect on any gaming really.

As for 3D, yes nvidia is better as there the only ones with it at the minute on the market, however you would need a 120Hz monitor, and would most likely need a 480, 580 or 2x of any of the other nvidia cards as the 3D kills the FPS by half.

Plus ATI are now bringing there 3D stuff to the table as well and only the 6xxx will support it but again you would need the rest of the setup to get it too work.

I wouldn't say that the noise and heat etc. was overrated at all tbh, especially when compared to the 6870 now. Also if the 470 is overclocked it will be a lot more power hungry, hotter and therefore will be noisier (however you could set up your own custom cooling fan profiles so that it may be better for cooling and noise level than what it is on automatic/default).

I will get some screenshots of benchmarks in games and noise levels with temperatures from some sites to give you an idea of what the 6870 is like compared to the 470, and that might help you decide a bit better.

It really does come down to personal preference in the end.
 
Ok, here is some reading :p:

6870 reviews and the benchmarks for games (not stupid software telling you a number) as well as charts comparing the noise, power and heat between the top/recent cards i.e. 480, 470, 469, 5870, 5850 etc.:

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/10/21/amd_radeon_hd_6870_6850_video_card_review/

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/11/16/asus_eah6870_video_card_review/

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6870/

http://www.guru3d.com/article/his-radeon-6850-6870-review/

http://www.guru3d.com/article/gigabyte-radeon-hd-6870-review/

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3987/amds-radeon-6870-6850-renewing-competition-in-the-midrange-market

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/10/22/ati-radeon-hd-6870-review/1

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru.../37286-amd-radeon-hd-6870-hd-6850-review.html

If you don't want to read every page for all those sites, then just have a look at the game benchmarks, which you are interested in or play as well as the power, temperature and noise level charts including the conclusion.

Now some review sites favour a certain brand over the other brand i.e. make them look better when they really aren't so if you see, say 1 site, which makes the 470 or 6870 look better overall than the other compared to the other like 3 or 4 sites which show what it should be then don't look too much into that corrupt/fanboy review site :p

I think there was one site there that made the 470 look better in most of the games even though for nearly all the other sites it wasn't, the 6870 beat the 470 by a bit in certain games, which actually surprised me :eek:

So overall I had a look at them as well for my benefit as well as yours as I will need to be getting a new card when/if I get a new 1920x1080 monitor and from what I have seen on those sites the 6870 actually beats the 470 for the majority of games especially for BFBC 2, crysis and COD 4 iirc, which are my mostly played/favourite games as well as obviously beating the 470 for noise, heat and power (although we always knew that anyway).

However I do not know what the cards would be like when overclocked.

But if I had to choose, in all honesty, this is the card that I would get:

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-021-HS&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1866

So now it is up to you, but the 6870 I have to say does look better overall IMO.
 
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Hmmm, just looking through these reviews/benchmarks/comparisons again and actually the 6870 beats the 470 in pretty much all the games apart from a few.

Don't know why most people recommend the 470 over it then and say that it is much faster etc. :confused:
 
Just read all those mate - edging towards the 6870 now! :)

Ok :)

Thats not what i hear, the latest Black Ops is supposed to be pretty demanding

Tbh it's not really demanding at all, uses the same engine as all the other previous COD games and the graphics look pretty much the same as well.

And I am running it on my setup very smoothly, FPS ranging from around 58-83FPS, lowest I seen it drop to so far is 46FPS iirc which was near the start with the house being bombed, smoke, blur, explosions, shaking and all.

Everything on the highest settings including AA and AAA with this setup:

- I5 750
- HIS 4850 TURBO iceQ4 512MB
- 4GB RAM
- 1280x1024
- W7 64 bit

Everything at stock/no overclocking.

I've read that it's due to bad coding rather than being graphics intensive.

Yup, that as well, as there are people with the much better/higher end rigs who are getting really bad stuttering and lag etc.

Although an update was released, which apparently has fixed some of the problems for some people.
 
Have you considered the 5850? I think it can be found cheaper than 6870 and i believe that it overclocks more if you are into that. If you are not then i guess performance is similar.
 
Yeah COD:BO is not performing well atm - the GPU is only getting ~30% of what the CPU should be feeding it and even when it does it tends to feed it in fits and starts so even tho you might be seeing 60fps on the screen it will feel more like half that due to the distribution of frames.

In short the game is fubar atm and anyone claiming it runs "smooth" on their PC is either lying, not sensitive to it or using VSync which masks some of the erratic choppyness but won't be acceptable to any serious gamer.


EDIT: There may be some people who it actually is smooth for by some miracle tho I don't see how it can be - but I've tried it on 2-3 people's PCs that claim it to be smooth and they either have vsync on or just aren't sensitive to it i.e. they wouldn't notice the difference between 30 and 60fps anyway.

EDIT2: There are some people claiming they get 70-90% GPU utilisation with the game, not sure how as the way its broke should result in it being broke for everyone but I assume they are telling the truth.
 
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