Well the dominace of console games for single player and the amount of poor console ports to the pc out there probably means you can play almost any PC game at close to max settings with even an 8800GTX. Nothing really pushses this gen or last gen PC gpu's with the exception of the usual suspects (metro, crysis etc..) And I suspect nothing will until the next range of consoles are out. Of course all this hasn't stopped enthusiasts wanting the latest and greatest, myself included. Some like to do benchmarking, some like to play whatever decent pc games there are left at max settings at ridiculous resolutions. I just wish we could see great console games make it to the PC. Vanquish, Enslaved, Uncharted series, Heavy Rain, Forza3 spring to mind. Is Crysis 2 going to be a meh console port I wonder ?
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Who will ditch 580 for 6900
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Interesting question, and think it will depend on the usual two things of price vs performance.
With the GTX580 prices increasing and ATI bang for buck strategy, I think it will be very tempting for some to ebay the GTX580 pocket some cash and buy a faster 6900 card.
With the GTX580 prices increasing and ATI bang for buck strategy, I think it will be very tempting for some to ebay the GTX580 pocket some cash and buy a faster 6900 card.
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But don't 2 470GTX cards in SLI outperform a 580GTX?
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The main thing is, if the 6970 really gets close to the 580gtx, the 6990 will be a truly stunning card, why, because AMD now has better xfire scaling than Nvidia, and the ability to put two cores on one card, I still sincerely doubt the ability of Nvidia to release a dual 580gtx based card.
Remember we had around 8 months of Fud and a few other sites insisting a dual GF100 based card was on its way(from a couple months before the first "launch" in September till a while after the 480gtx finally became available). I'm not at all convinced, and the rumoured card that was due before xmas has now slipped till AMD provide theirs, it might come out, I don't think it will come close to a 6990.
But the thing is, 4870 512mb £170, 1gb versions not out but launched at £210, the 4870x2 was £330 with 1gb per core, exceptional value. The 5970 was RRP £440, the uk got screwed, the uk's being screwed now with most of the rest of the world offering the few 5970's left for less than 580gtx's.
AMD's dual gpu cards offer pretty much the top end cores, at value closer to the 5850 per core. 6970, on par give or take a little witha 580gtx, but probably £325 or so, a 6990 probably 90% faster with newer xfire scaling, yet probably RRP of £450-500.
If the 580GTX continue's with poor availability and the 6990 utterly smashes it too pieces at a very similar price, sure tri/quad SLI will still be good, 2x6990's could suck as badly as 2x5970's do, but frankly I don't care, beyond 2 cards from either company is horribly poor value, overly hot/loud and for really very little benefit.
Remember we had around 8 months of Fud and a few other sites insisting a dual GF100 based card was on its way(from a couple months before the first "launch" in September till a while after the 480gtx finally became available). I'm not at all convinced, and the rumoured card that was due before xmas has now slipped till AMD provide theirs, it might come out, I don't think it will come close to a 6990.
But the thing is, 4870 512mb £170, 1gb versions not out but launched at £210, the 4870x2 was £330 with 1gb per core, exceptional value. The 5970 was RRP £440, the uk got screwed, the uk's being screwed now with most of the rest of the world offering the few 5970's left for less than 580gtx's.
AMD's dual gpu cards offer pretty much the top end cores, at value closer to the 5850 per core. 6970, on par give or take a little witha 580gtx, but probably £325 or so, a 6990 probably 90% faster with newer xfire scaling, yet probably RRP of £450-500.
If the 580GTX continue's with poor availability and the 6990 utterly smashes it too pieces at a very similar price, sure tri/quad SLI will still be good, 2x6990's could suck as badly as 2x5970's do, but frankly I don't care, beyond 2 cards from either company is horribly poor value, overly hot/loud and for really very little benefit.
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Easily, but in the "real world" the 470gtx makes a huge loss for Nvidia, its been EOL type pricing for ages now, and is also for real EOL now so will run out in not too long. Great for the consumer, poor for business, and in real term sales, selling 10-20k cards in retail stores to end users for those kind of prices looks great but Nvidia/AMD don't want to go and sell something below cost in the 100k's to millions in volume to Dell and co.
We'll have to see where the 570gtx gets price, I imagine somewhere along the lines of earlier 470gtx pricing, IE, sucky, if the 6950 is around £250 and could beat it though, they probably can't maintain as high pricing as they'd like.
Right now(even more so at £165 a couple weeks ago) the 470gtx was exceptional value, a great buy. AMD's small core strategy and pricing mean Nvidia has little choice but to offer it at silly prices to clear stock.
Thing is, last gen, the gen before, the 4870 being the exception, in general the highest gpu is often just awful value, even compared to previous gen, the 470gtx/5850, the 8800gts 640, the x800xl, etc, etc, thats where you get performance vs value, the only real need for the highest end card is lack of ability to use two cards(with current mobo offerings, £5 extra on a mobo) means two slower cards will almost always outperform the highest end offerings for a lower cost.
The 580gtx is a boring card in that sense, theres a half dozen Nvidia and AMD options for better performance at a lower price, the 6970 won't be great value again being beaten in performance by things like 470gtx sli, 5850 xfire at current circa £150 a card pricing), etc, etc. The 6950 and 6990 though, could be outstanding value and performance.
Really the fight is between 6950, 570gtx and seeing how good value the 6990 ends up.
Not sure what that's got to do with it, u have a 5870
And anyway from a heat/power/noise/drivers/microstutter perspective single card is preferable.
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Not sure what that's got to do with it, u have a 5870
I was asking why you NEED a 580GTX. I gave the 470GTX SLI as a cheaper option that will do what a 580GTX does. Why spend more on a 580GTX if 470GTX SLI will outperform it?
Also is a 480GTX really so bad it can't play Metro 2033 but a 580GTX can?
SLI Fermi brings a whole host of problems, and the performance is all over the place so its impossible to know what setup would be quicker.
Both the GTX480 and GTX580 struggle badly with Metro 2033. I'm pritty sure the HD6990 has a good chance of cracking it though.
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i'll be ditching my 5870 for gtx580 within this week 
but won't be going back to ATI/AMD for a while. their driver didn't feel as polished as nVidia's. i just want something play games. with 5870, i had to adjust CCC everytime i launch Starcraft 2, then remember to change it back. and i had to have 8800GT idling in my machine during the time period i play Mafia 2. hopefully buying a single nvidia card will mean hassle free, setup game profile and off we go.
8800GTX, gtx260 had been great and hassle free. not so happy with 5870.
but won't be going back to ATI/AMD for a while. their driver didn't feel as polished as nVidia's. i just want something play games. with 5870, i had to adjust CCC everytime i launch Starcraft 2, then remember to change it back. and i had to have 8800GT idling in my machine during the time period i play Mafia 2. hopefully buying a single nvidia card will mean hassle free, setup game profile and off we go.
8800GTX, gtx260 had been great and hassle free. not so happy with 5870.
i'll be ditching my 5870 for gtx580 within this week
but won't be going back to ATI/AMD for a while. their driver didn't feel as polished as nVidia's. i just want something play games. with 5870, i had to adjust CCC everytime i launch Starcraft 2, then remember to change it back. and i had to have 8800GT idling in my machine during the time period i play Mafia 2. hopefully buying a single nvidia card will mean hassle free, setup game profile and off we go.
8800GTX, gtx260 had been great and hassle free. not so happy with 5870.
Sounds a little out of the frying pan and into the fire to me
That is quite an assumption to make. 6900 will need to be 50% faster than a 5870 to match the GTX 580 in Metro. This game has poorer coding than Crysis. Not forgeting that Metro is one of the few games that makes decent use of Physx.
indeed. but im voicing my experience. different people have different experience with each brand.Sounds a little out of the frying pan and into the fire to me
Thats the biggest load of **** I have ever heard
I have both & GTX480 & GTX580 & on their own either card makes Metro 2033 very smooth. GTX580 especially is awesome in DX11 minimal stuttering @ 1920x1200 with max everything doubt you would even notice it.
GTX480 less so but still smooth if you set AA to X2 or X4.
Pretty sure there is no card due until the GTX595 which will do any better than the GTX4/5 series in Metro 2033
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Your quite lucky, I never jumped on the HD5870 boat. I stuck a HD4890 and GTX280 main rigs ( folding on Nvidia 6 8800's ) and have to say the Nvidia driver over this time have been shambolic at best.
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You have to notice he is talking about the dual-GPU 6990 (not the 6970), which would probably gonna be priced at £550~£650. So if it doesn't beat the £400 GTX580 in Metro 2033, it would be quite embarrassing...
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Yeah my experience with the 480 has been stellar. So good I'm keeping hold of it until kepler hits.
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Thats the biggest load of **** I have ever heard
I have both & GTX480 & GTX580 & on their own either card makes Metro 2033 very smooth. GTX580 especially is awesome in DX11 minimal stuttering @ 1920x1200 with max everything doubt you would even notice it.
GTX480 less so but still smooth if you set AA to X2 or X4.
Pretty sure there is no card due until the GTX595 which will do any better than the GTX4/5 series in Metro 2033
Hmm another magic rig it seems. Well I supose it comes down to what you consider playable, but at 1920x1200 you will be lucky to hit 25FPS average.
That is a big load of please star out swearing fully.
30FPS actually & it spikes to 45 FPS a lot as well
GTX480 even manages more than 25 FPS but GTX580 is in another league one you will probably never experience