Student protest today - spec me a sign

Chris1712 said:
Actually, its trebled from the current tuition fees. What were the protests you attended in 2006 like when it also trebled from your £1000 to £3000?
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I mean really, that's such a fundementally bad point to make that I almost want to ignore it :p

That was an increase of £2000. This is a further increase of £6000. That's an £8000 increase.

I object to an £8000 (or additional £6000 if you'd prefer) increase per year more than a £2000 increase.

This is because it is more money, especially if viewed cumulatively.
 
Castiel said:
Why should I pay higher taxes or do without services to fund those who wish to gain a degree to further their own financial security. Go by all means, but accept the responsibility and pay for it. It isn't difficult to budget repayment of a student loan on an average salary.
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Because we as a society all benefit from an accessible system of higher education. You might not benefit directly, but your kids might, your neighbour's kids might, the country's kids definitely will.

Castiel said:
As for Government whim, that is true of absolutely any system you care to invent, so it's a pointless argument. And your nailed down certainty? Got a source for that, or is it simply hyperbole.
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A prediction based on past performance. When governments bring in controversial changes they mitigate the parts that are controversial to grease the wheels - once the change has been made, it's considerably easier to change it towards your original goal.

You have to admit it's kinda stupid to be giving out loans that people have no hope of re-paying - it's not good business (as the banks have recently reminded us). If nothing is more important than reducing the deficit, then it seems slightly odd to be doing this.

Castiel said:
£21k is the cut-off AFAIK. which is around the average salary range. I did not say it was not a debt, but it is not treated the same as normal loans by credit scoring and thus is not a liability in the same way as a mortgage or highstreet loan would be.
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The average salary in the UK is £28k - people who earn far below the minimum wage are going to sacrifice a significant part of their salary paying back these loans and this is fair? :confused:

How do you know how the credit scoring system will work? I sincerely it will be taken into account by the CRAs (who have disgraced themselves in the credit crunch). If my bank is going to be lending money to people they need to know how what other debts the person holds, their ability to repay and their assets. If I'm going to lend someone £100k for a mortgage on a £115k asset and they already have £30k student loan debt - that needs to be taken into account and the mortgage turned down if necessary.

Castiel said:
To use an analogy, Asking someone to pay £50,000 or £100,000 or even 1,000,000 (if your a banker!) for a Ford Mondeo just because they earn more to allow those who earn less to get one free is unfair. Fairer to say we will give everyone a Mondeo and when you earn over a certain amount you can begin to pay for it, if you drop below that amount or after 30 years we will suspend or write off that debt.
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But that's not what this is. We have a situation where if you're clever enough you can enjoy the benefits of a higher education. This is now being changed so you'll have to be both clever enough and willing to take on a huge amount of debt, unless you're in the privileged minority.
 
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Mat said:
"Around half the protesters in Cambridge are believed to be from local sixth-form colleges. Some of those taking part in demonstrations around the Senate House are as young as 12, it is reported."

Cambridge protesting... serious business.
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Some tried to enter the Department of Engineering today, failing to realise that it's 1) one of the most secure sites on campus and 2) the security is run by an ex-army bloke. He's been in his element today, surprised Rambo wasn't on site to stop the students! :D
 
I am assuming all the people at the protest with DSLR cameras and Speedlights flashing like crazy are all professionals.

Have a look on these very forums when grant time comes around, spec me threads noticeably increase.
 
Captain_Slick said:
The minimum wage is £12k~. They won't pay back anything as it's below the 21k threshold. Are you blind or stupid?
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Thats what I thought....?

Unless you earn a certain amount annually, you dont pay back a thing? Its practically un-noticable anyway as it just comes out as 'tax'
 
scorza said:
Stupid. I meant to say "...people who earn less than the average wage..."
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So? £21k is a perfectly liveable wage in most parts of the country.

It's perfectly fair that if you want a degree that'll let you get a job that pays almost double the minimum wage, you should pay for it. Otherwise, the rest of the population who are on minimum wage and barely surviving are funding your pointless degree, drinking binges, extravagant purchases and these protests. That isn't fair at all, is it?
 
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