Student protest today - spec me a sign

Just watching it on Points West. One of the students: "A few years ago it was more cheaper". Should you really be at university love?

@Nitefly: Hope you weren't one of the ones that threw fireworks at the police horses :rolleyes:.


I'm at 'the other' Bristol Uni :p, don't know anyone that was going on the walkout..... or anyone that even supported to it!
 
Its also a joke to expect others to pay for services you choose to use...

You can run that argument with anything.

I don't dispute the fact that fees really do have to go up, but they will become frighteningly steep with the current proposals.
 
You can run that argument with anything.

In fairness, I frequently do :)

I don't dispute the fact that fees really do have to go up, but they will become frighteningly steep with the current proposals.

Serious question. Do you think there would be more or less protests if they abolished fees but cut place numbers back to 10% of 6th form leavers and cut the types of courses available dramatically?
 
Serious question. Do you think there would be more or less protests if they abolished fees but cut place numbers back to 10% of 6th form leavers and cut the types of courses available dramatically?

I'd imagine more, but I wouldn't want to think that only 1 in 10 sixth formers could go to university.
 
People who expect to be able to get free education for worthless degrees that are not needed should be shot. I'm also rather bitter, I feel my economics degree is useless to me but I need it to get a job in the first place thanks to the amount of degrees out there.

With actually only people needing degrees getting them I could have skipped on mine. Useless waste of life. Could be spent actually producing value for me and others instead.

But of course, people think they have some right to study their hobby, paid for by others. I think they should shut their mouth and pay for my next PC instead. Why should some people's hobbies be favoured over others? Because it IS a hobby essentially when most degrees have no relevance whatsoever to peoples eventual jobs.
 
You don't need to be living outside your means to notice a student loan payment coming out of your account every month.

You really do on £55k though, don't you? That's more than TWICE the average wage. Almost FIVE TIMES the minimum wage. Think yourself lucky, especially if the university education enabled you to earn such a living.
 
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I'd imagine more, but I wouldn't want to think that only 1 in 10 sixth formers could go to university.

It would only return university attendance levels to what they used to be. The problem is we need to decide what university is supposed to be, because we can either have a fully funded system with relatively small attendence and valuable degrees, or a contribution based (whether via loans or a graduate tax), much more inclusive system with less stringent requirements and less valuable degrees.

Currently there seems to be a lot of cross purpose talk confusing the two situations, especially those citing lifetime earnings from the former group as an example of the benefits likely for the latter group.
 
It would only return university attendance levels to what they used to be. The problem is we need to decide what university is supposed to be, because we can either have a fully funded system with relatively small attendence and valuable degrees, or a contribution based (whether via loans or a graduate tax), much more inclusive system with less stringent requirements and less valuable degrees.

Currently there seems to be a lot of cross purpose talk confusing the two situations, especially those citing lifetime earnings from the former group as an example of the benefits likely for the latter group.

If the former system is 1 and the latter system a 10, then I'd say I'd sit at around a 6-7. I think if people are capable at studying something and have an interest to do so, then they should be able to continue their studying at a fair price, providing it's not studying something particuarly ludicrous. I acknowledge that this has to be subsidised by the government to work.

I don't think that people should have to consider their career plans when chosing their subject of choice as a degree will give transferable skills. A degree in history is, from a certain perspective (one that I would probably suggest is narrow minded), totally indulgent. Likewise, nor I think chosing to do a degree should be focussed on that degree's financial value in relation to practicality.

I find it strange when people say their degree was worthless. I thoroughly enjoyed mine and I think everyone should be entitled to a similar opportunity should they so desire. Yet I feel making people pay three times as much for the benefit is truly excessive. Someone in my shoes, who will be starting work in a role that crosses the threshold for paying back the loan, will have a very significant chunk of their pay packet taken out for an absolute ice age. I think it's just too burdensome.
 
If the former system is 1 and the latter system a 10, then I'd say I'd sit at around a 6-7. I think if people are capable at studying something and have an interest to do so, then they should be able to continue their studying at a fair price, providing it's not studying something particuarly ludicrous. I acknowledge that this has to be subsidised by the government to work.

I'd probably put myself around a 5, the problem is that we have had a system that has essentially rewarded universities for 'dumbing down' courses for numbers, which combined with grade inflation at A level, has created a system where degrees have been built so a large number of people are capable of doing them, rather than having a large number of people capable of doing degrees.

Universities should not be this universally available idea, and yet that is what they are rapidly becoming. I welcome anyone capable of studying something at a degree level, but not the reducing of degree level work to increase accessibility.

I don't think that people should have to consider their career plans when chosing their subject of choice as a degree will give transferable skills. A degree in history is, from a certain perspective (one that I would probably suggest is narrow minded), totally indulgent. Likewise, nor I think chosing to do a degree should be focussed on that degree's financial value in relation to practicality.

I'm somewhat torn on this one, I certainly think the value of the degree you do has to be considered when committing to it (and in fairness, I didn't make particularly great choices in this regard I will acknowledge, stupid teenage rebellion), but it shouldn't be the sole choice, and there needs to be a dramatic increase in honesty as to the value of degrees for such things to be evaluated correctly.

Some degrees have good transferable skills (my knowledge of statistics, report construction and correct methodology from my chemistry degree has been very useful, for example), but not all do, and again, that is often glossed over.

I find it strange when people say their degree was worthless. I thoroughly enjoyed mine and I think everyone should be entitled to a similar opportunity should they so desire. Yet I feel making people pay three times as much for the benefit is truly excessive. Someone in my shoes, who will be starting work in a role that crosses the threshold for paying back the loan, will have a very significant chunk of their pay packet taken out for an absolute ice age. I think it's just too burdensome.

Which brings us back to square one, so to speak. The number of people now going to university, doing subjects that don't need to be done at university, for jobs that don't require that level of education, means that some of the burden has to be reflected back on those involved, because it's well beyond what can be sustained from a purely economic benefit for the state viewpoint.

If people are taking degrees for their own benefit, as you have described in many ways, then they should pay for them. Unfortunately, state subsidies for some degrees and not others seems very unpopular, as does the idea of letting industry invest more in people who want to do the degree courses to gain skills they find beneficial.
 
That was an amazing day, great work everone who was involved. Here's less than half of the people who turned up for Newcastle:

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Great turnout, and solidarity to those occupying Universities up and down the country!
 
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