Student protest today - spec me a sign

Superewza said:
In which case, why would i get a degree to get a better job? Why would i not just get a job after doing A Levels and start earning at least three years earlier?

Come off it, tuition fees are unfair full stop. The only purpose they serve is to make sure that the rich get all the good jobs and therefore stay rich.
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Winner. What are you talking about, you get qualified, you repay what it cost you, have i missed something?

If you cant repay that, god help you with a mortgage better get used to living at mums.
 
Captain_Slick said:
What?

You should want to get a degree to expand your knowledge of whatever subject it is you want to study, for your own enjoyment. Because you have the opportunity not to?

I HAD to get a job at 16 and start earning years before my peers, because if I didn't I'd have no place to live. Jesus christ.

Your second point is just ignorance. If you get a good degree, you can get a good job and become rich. Therefore it's fair that you should pay for what enabled you to achieve that, no?
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If - exactly. Only those who are rich will be able to afford to get one.

No, it's not 'fair', in any sense of the word. Education is a right, and it should be free - never mind £3000/year or even £1000/year. You do realize that in most places in Europe you shouldn't expect to pay over €300 per semester? This is just plain ridiculous, and you're defending it? Get some perspective man!
 
Superewza said:
In which case, why would i get a degree to get a better job? Why would i not just get a job after doing A Levels and start earning at least three years earlier?
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Well if you are only in it for the money then a good degree will help there quite a bit, so it will pay for itself. I am guessing you aren't intending to study maths? :)

Superewza said:
Come off it, tuition fees are unfair full stop. The only purpose they serve is to make sure that the rich get all the good jobs and therefore stay rich.
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If the person that benefits most from the degree is the person taking it then isn't it fair that they pay towards the cost? You might have had a point with the above if it wasn't for the fact that the loans are guaranteed, you don't have to pay a penny up front, you don't have to pay anything back until you start ot earn a reasonable amount.
 
Superewza said:
ICome off it, tuition fees are unfair full stop. The only purpose they serve is to make sure that the rich get all the good jobs and therefore stay rich.
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I'm earning above average wage in a job that did not require a degree (and I don't have one) and I got here through hard work. Should I fund peoples' degrees just because they don't want to have to foot the bill themselves in later life?
Superewza said:
No, it's not 'fair', in any sense of the word. Education is a right, and it should be free
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Who's going to pay for it?!?!?!? Will teachers/lecturers work for nothing?
 
Superewza said:
If - exactly. Only those who are rich will be able to afford to get one.
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No, you'll be able to afford one when you get a good enough job. Just go without a brand new BMW for your first year. If you don't get a good enough job, it's for free! BARGAIN OF THE CENTURY!

No, it's not 'fair', in any sense of the word. Education is a right, and it should be free - never mind £3000/year or even £1000/year. You do realize that in most places in Europe you shouldn't expect to pay over €300 per semester? This is just plain ridiculous, and you're defending it? Get some perspective man!
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Education is not a right. Who is this right from? God? Should the church teach us then? Nothing is a right.

Most places in Europe don't have the debt we have as a country. Most places in Europe have significantly higher taxes than us. Go figure.

I'm afraid I am the one with perspective here.
 
Stringy said:
I'm earning above average wage in a job that did not require a degree (and I don't have one) and I got here through hard work. Should I fund peoples' degrees just because they don't want to have to foot the bill themselves in later life?
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Of course you should. From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.
 
Superewza said:
And with that statement you just lost all credibility. Bye :)
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Says the one arguing that unnecessary university education is a right that should be free. You lost credibility about five posts ago.

And surely you're an idiot if you don't realise what I said there?

In this society, yes, certain things are viewed as rights. Society changes though. In a thousand years, people may consider having a robot servant a right. Rights only exist so long as society says they do. Ultimately, physically, in the grand scheme of the universe and what we know as true, however, they don't exist and never have done.
 
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Superewza said:
In which case, why would i get a degree to get a better job? Why would i not just get a job after doing A Levels and start earning at least three years earlier?

Come off it, tuition fees are unfair full stop. The only purpose they serve is to make sure that the rich get all the good jobs and therefore stay rich.
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Dear God; Are you really that stupid?

What you've just said is THE single greatest question that every one of us has historically asked ourselves before attending University. Things aren't changing with the force of an atom bomb due to an increase in fees, you know. We who went to Uni ~ 10 years ago didn't get it free either. You're aware of that, aren't you?

If you haven't had the discussion with your relatives/partners/yourself regarding whether it's worth attending Uni or heading straight into the jobs market to give yourself a head start (read: experience vs. a new graduate -- guess which one generally wins?), then you're going about everything the wrong way.

Seems fairly typical of the lacking mindset of these idiotic protestors.
 
Oxy said:
Tuition fees should be scrapped not increased.

Income tax should be increased if you earn a lot.
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I just love that.

How about this for a novel idea, you pay for the education you get, that way if you decide to **** it off and not get a job, im not holding my breath for you to start paying tax to put a bit back in.
 
Superewza said:
In which case, why would i get a degree to get a better job? Why would i not just get a job after doing A Levels and start earning at least three years earlier?

Come off it, tuition fees are unfair full stop. The only purpose they serve is to make sure that the rich get all the good jobs and therefore stay rich.
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That sounds good to me. I love being rich.
 
My god, what is wrong with this forum? What it it about computer hardware that attracts so many right wing bigots? There's more to life than personal gain, you know.
 
Superewza said:
My god, what is wrong with this forum? What it it about computer hardware that attracts so many right wing bigots? There's more to life than personal gain, you know.
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Its funny that i only ever hear skint people say that :)

NEWSFLASH NEWSFLASH you cant spend those ideals in Waitrose, nor do they cloth and house you.
 
Superewza said:
My god, what is wrong with this forum? What it it about computer hardware that attracts so many right wing bigots? There's more to life than personal gain, you know.
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So if you decide to go down a path were personal gain isn't your thing, then you don't pay anything for your degree, so what exactly is the problem?
 
Superewza said:
My god, what is wrong with this forum? What it it about computer hardware that attracts so many right wing bigots? There's more to life than personal gain, you know.
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And this, gentlemen, is what it looks like when you completely divest yourself of any remaining shred of credibility you had.

Seriously, if you don't know what a bigot is, then I shudder to think who you've been killing with that guitar of yours.....
 
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