Wikileaks - latest leak

rypt said:
Police can investigate without arresting or charging him though

I'm not saying he should not be arrested, I'm merely saying UK needs to play this one carefully to ensure that we are being fair and that
a) the charges are not politically motivated
b) there is some real basis to the charges
c) he will get a fair trial in Sweden (afaik they have no jury for rape trials)
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There is very little we can do. It is assumed that anywhere in the EU, you will get a fair trial. To refuse to extradite somebody based on the notion that they wont get a fair trial to a country like Sweden will cause no end of problems.
 
[TW]Fox;17954120 said:
There is very little we can do. It is assumed that anywhere in the EU, you will get a fair trial. To refuse to extradite somebody based on the notion that they wont get a fair trial to a country like Sweden will cause no end of problems.
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We are still a sovereign state, we can say that we'll extradite him provided he gets a jury trial (if it is felt that a judge only trial would be too easy to influence especially given the current climate)
 
rypt said:
We are still a sovereign state, we can say that we'll extradite him provided he gets a jury trial (if it is felt that a judge only trial would be too easy to influence especially given the current climate)
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Why do you always post as if you know the answer to everything, and that the rypt way of doing things is always so easy and straightforward?

To do as you suggest we'd effectively have to publically state that we do not beleive Sweden to have a fair judicial system.

Yea, that'd go down REALLY well.

He is not our citizen, he isn't really our problem.
 
rypt said:
We are still a sovereign state, we can say that we'll extradite him provided he gets a jury trial (if it is felt that a judge only trial would be too easy to influence especially given the current climate)
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How can we demand something of another soverign state, without threatening some kind of action? Ludicrous.

Also, I would argue a jury would be biased the opposite way, but hey ho...
 
An Australian man is arrested in the UK for crimes he's accused of committing in Sweden and this somehow makes the U.S. hypocritical for hosting an event regarding freedom of the press? Even if the U.S. is somehow involved with Assange's arrest, freedom of press, freedom of speech and freedom of expression are fundamentally different than the dissemination of stolen documents. Whether it's someone's personal information, a corporation's trade secrets, or a government's communications it's wrong and illegal.
 
[TW]Fox;17954120 said:
There is very little we can do. It is assumed that anywhere in the EU, you will get a fair trial. To refuse to extradite somebody based on the notion that they wont get a fair trial to a country like Sweden will cause no end of problems.
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Spot on.

Surely WikiLeaks is a lot more than the one man Julian Assange show the media seem to making out. Is it not possible that Assange is now relatively detached from the organisation and has specifically taken up the role of 'public face'?
 
Moses99p said:
It's exactly what we'd do if we got an extradition request from a country with the death penalty, if the person in question was going to get that. The International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights is something you may wish to look at, particularly article six and Judge v Canada.
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You may want to read through EU law/agreement and Interpol agreements. Sweden hardly has a backwards legal system, comparatively.
 
if i where the USA id be pretty worried that if this average guy julian and his mates can get hold of so much information then how much information can russia/china/iran get hold of ?

laughable really
 
Moses99p said:
I was merely pointing out that it's not the case that extradition requests will be accepted regardless. You said we couldn't demand something of a sovereign state... I was pointing out that states which have abolished the death penalty have to get assurances from states seeking extradition, if they have the death penalty and they're wanting to execute someone... so we can demand stuff.
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We were obvioulsy arguing different things. Sweden, at least for now (:D) don't have the death penalty, and within the EU we must accept their wishes.

However, further back I said I've no problem with him being given political asylum here if he so wishes. He certainly isn't welcome in his birthland.
 
deko said:
http://lexisweb.co.uk/blogs/1234/ar...i-could-be-flagged-for-funding-terrorism.aspx

This pretty much sums up my feeling about this shambles.
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Ahaha, if that's true than this is a major screw up by a lot of media for not actually investigating the story past "sex crimes". Also clearly an attempt to smear his name with the stygma that comes with that label.

Pretty disgusting stuff by both swedish and uk legal systems as well as the US if they are actually behind this.
 
[TW]Fox;17953820 said:
I suspect a genuine allegation has been made against him and it's not a conspiracy at all. The validity of the allegation is another matter entirely.
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Do you think both of them are genuine? One of them was made after the "victim" had met with the authorities. Two women who didn't know each other as it is reported then somehow met to discuss their sexual encounters with Assange.

A document alledgy written by one of the women:

Step 1

Consider very carefully if you really must take revenge. It is almost always better to forgive than to avenge . . .

Step 2

Think about why you want revenge. You need to be clear about who to take revenge on, as well as why. Revenge is never directed against only one person, but also the actions of the person.

Step 3

The principle of proportionality. Remember that revenge will not only match the deed in size but also in nature. A good revenge is linked to what has been done against you.

For example if you want revenge on someone who cheated or who dumped you, you should use a punishment with dating/sex/fidelity involved.

Step 4

Do a brainstorm of appropriate measures for the category of revenge you’re after. To continue the example above, you can sabotage your victim’s current relationship, such as getting his new partner to be unfaithful or ensure that he gets a madman after him.

Use your imagination!

Step 5

Figure out how you can systematically take revenge. Send your victim a series of letters and photographs that make your victim’s new partner believe that you are still together which is better than to tell just one big lie on one single occasion

Step 6

Rank your systematic revenge schemes from low to high in terms of likely success, required input from you, and degree of satisfaction when you succeed. The ideal, of course, is a revenge as strong as possible but this requires a lot of hard work and effort for it to turn out exactly as you want it to.

Step 7

Get to work. And remember what your goals are while you are operating, ensure that your victim will suffer the same way as he made you suffer.
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Do a bit more digging and there is information to suggest that she at least knows a former CIA agent.
 
The probability is that Julian Assange is not the victim of some CIA conspiracy but that the allegations made against him by the two women are what they appear to be.

Whether he is guilty or not is a matter for the Swedish court to decide and that is why he should be given to the Swedish Authorities as per the extradition request.

If there is any corruption in the Swedish Judicial system I have yet to hear of it. Sweden is not Zimabwe or Russia after all.
 
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