Not impressed by C300 SSD 256GB

Ken

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Hi,

The C300 seems to be no faster than my previous Velociraptor 300GB. I've not run any benchmarks but bootup, general usage in Win XP and Fallout NV load times seems to be on par with my old drive.

Don't know if I have any grounds for a refund (bought over the counter) but trying to convince myself to keep it on the basis my current setup is a bottleneck...

X2 4400+
Asus A8N-SLI Premium
Corsair 2GB 3500LL PRO
Win XP

Any thoughts/suggestions?

Thanks :)
 
A veliciraptor is a pretty snappy feeling drive in the first place. Run some benchmarks like HD Tach, HD Tune, Atto Bench etc and post your results.
 
You're using XP, only 2 gig of ram, 5 year old MB with no support for SATA II...

Probably not the best system to reap the benefits of an SSD.
 


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You're using XP, only 2 gig of ram, 5 year old MB with no support for SATA II...

Probably not the best system to reap the benefits of an SSD.

Just checked the manual it's SATA 2,

Is it properly aligned?

How do i do this? Don't think there were any options in the BIOS and during OS installation relating to this?
 
You're using XP, only 2 gig of ram, 5 year old MB with no support for SATA II...

Probably not the best system to reap the benefits of an SSD.

this sums it up.

a SATA2 interface still isnt fast enough for it, and does the motherboard bios even have a AHCI option?
 
this sums it up.

a SATA2 interface still isnt fast enough for it, and does the motherboard bios even have a AHCI option?

It doesn't.
I was deciding between this C300 and the Vertex 2 but didn't think SATA 3 was a necessity. I was under the impression SATA 2 was more than enough for current mechanical drives and even SSDs. I also thought the C300 was the only SSD to benefit from SATA 3 but would still see its benefits on SATA 2 on the basis SSDs are much faster than mechanical drives. From what you guys have said though, it looks like the C300 will shine above the Velociraptor when I upgrade next year along with using Win 7. :)
 
The 31 K - Bad shows you partition isn't aligned, but that because XP made it. Probably best to head over to Crucial forum and see what advice is there about creating a partition properly aligned.

Also after you've got system set-up, it might be worth logging out of Windows to leave system idle. So SSD firmware can perform any maintenance to clear cells with contents marked for deletion.

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Looks like your Asus AN8-SLI Premium does have SATA 3 Gbp/s ports, so should be OK. Just some people call SATA base on sequential numbering, e.g. SATA 2 meaning 3 Gbp/s, SATA 3 meaning 6 Gbp/s.
 
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The 31 K - Bad shows you partition isn't aligned, but that because XP made it. Probably best to head over to Crucial forum and see what advice is there about creating a partition properly aligned.

Also after you've got system set-up, it might be worth logging out of Windows to leave system idle. So SSD firmware can perform any maintenance to clear cells with contents marked for deletion.

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Looks like your Asus AN8-SLI Premium does have SATA 3 Gbp/s ports, so should be OK. Just some people call SATA base on sequential numbering, e.g. SATA 2 meaning 3 Gbp/s, SATA 3 meaning 6 Gbp/s.

Ahhh, think I will reinstall Windows XP but will align first using the guide mid page in the following link...

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_to_set_up_Windows_on_a_VERTEX

Thanks :)

Not too sure what you mean with the 2nd point in your post? You mean log out and leave PC on the main windows log in screen for a bit while the SSD automotically carries out maintenance?
 
It doesn't.
I was deciding between this C300 and the Vertex 2 but didn't think SATA 3 was a necessity. I was under the impression SATA 2 was more than enough for current mechanical drives and even SSDs.
SATA-2 isn't really the problem, it doesn't slow the C300 down much. But it looks like your mobo is stuck operating in SATA-1 mode for some reason, which is a big performance drain. What's also a problem is that your motherboard doesn't support AHCI or NCQ. If I were you I'd buy a PCI-e SATA controller and hook the C300 up to that. OCUK do the Asus U3S6 for £25, which is a good choice if you're not using your second PCI-e 16x slot. Plus is adds a couple of USB3 ports as a bonus.
 
Ahhh, think I will reinstall Windows XP but will align first using the guide mid page in the following link...

http://www.ocztechnologyforum.com/wiki/index.php?title=How_to_set_up_Windows_on_a_VERTEX

Thanks :)

Not too sure what you mean with the 2nd point in your post? You mean log out and leave PC on the main windows log in screen for a bit while the SSD automotically carries out maintenance?

Download Paragon Alignment Tool (Trial Version) 64bit or 32 bit version to align your drive.
 
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That's like putting Formula 1 tyres on a 10 year old Ford Mondeo.

You need a mobo/cpu/ram/operating system upgrade
 
Score wise mine gets around double that on a sata 3 controller AMD 850SB based mobo if I remember right.

But the vast majority of the difference with ANY half decent SSD is those 4kb and 4kb-64thread results. HDD's can do sequential read/writes not at all badly, but you'll find even a raptor will be along the lines of 0.5mb's read/writes, often a little higher on reads due to the cache and being able to optimise placement while reads have to come from wherever they are.

ANyway, the instantly responsive feel of SSD's, the when you are trying to unrar one file and open up IE and windows explorer and then double click a video file you get the computer getting caught up in that 4kb bottleneck and you end up waiting and waiting and unresponsive computer for a while. Thats the BIGGEST change you get with SSD's, that bottleneck is all but gone, I've got the same drive you have now, I had the Crucial M225 before it, WAY lower reads and about 10mb/s lower 4kb writes, and essentially theres very little real world difference, benchmarks, yes, reality both open almost any program instantly, the desktop is responsive no matter what I open and no matter how much I open(within reason). Memory running out is now really the only thing that bogs down performance in the same way.
 
Nothing wrong with using that system with an SSD

Whether using a 5 year old or new system, mechanical hard drives are still orders of magnitude slower than CPU/RAM

Lolled a bit at only having 2gb of ram being a problem - if 2gb ram is not enough to stop pagefile use, then upgrading to an SSD would actually show more benefit than upgrading on a 4GB system as the PF would be faster to access...come on guys, less bandwagon jumping more thinking.

Only using SATA2 prob won't be an issue with snappiness either as the main issue with mechanical drives is the latency and random transfer speeds.

Win7 will give TRIM but how would it make a non-degraded drive faster?

You already had one of the best, if not the best mechanical consumer drive available as a boot drive, this is why I think you haven't notice a massive difference.
 
Agreed, i've got an old Toshiba A110 233 that i've constantly upgraded since i got it from a mate with a busted screen, replaced screen, upgraded Core solo to Core 2 T5500 and 512mb memory to 3GB, XP home to Windows 7 64 and some samsung 80GB 5400rpm jobbie to a Seagate 7200rpm momentus, i recently added a Crucial budget 120gb SSD and by far its the biggest jump in speed the laptops had, without ACHI or fancy SATA speeds.. takes no time to boot win 7 and everything is instant.

I hardly saw a big jump when i replaced my velicoraptor 300gb with a 120gb Vertex 2E, faster yes.. by much.. well not really. Reminds me i gotta use that raptor for something, maybe my htpc :)
 
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Agreed, i've got an old Toshiba A110 233 that i've constantly upgraded since i got it from a mate with a busted screen, replaced screen, upgraded Core solo to Core 2 T5500 and 512mb memory to 3GB, XP home to Windows 7 64 and some samsung 80GB 5400rpm jobbie to a Seagate 7200rpm momentus, i recently added a Crucial budget 120gb SSD and by far its the biggest jump in speed the laptops had, without ACHI or fancy SATA speeds.. takes no time to boot win 7 and everything is instant.

I hardly saw a big jump when i replaced my velicoraptor 300gb with a 120gb Vertex 2E, faster yes.. by much.. well not really. Reminds me i gotta use that raptor for something, maybe my htpc :)

A Vertex 2e should be in almost all situations basically as fast as any of the Crucial 128mb drives, infact faster than almost all of them.

Most people get confused as to where this "performance" comes from.

Booting windows is literally the worst reason to buy an SSD. If you're someone who finds themselves constantly with windows getting bogged down as you multitask, a SSD will be night and day.

On almost any laptop frankly going from a few year old small 5400rpm(sometimes lower) low capacity drive to a 7200rpm also silent, 4 times as big drive will have a huge boost to booting times aswell. But hdd's, no matter which you get, will always chug when you throw more than a couple small programs at a time at it.

As for your laptop, it has AHCI, the chipset your laptop is using is not much more than 2 years old, an Asus NF4 SLI 939 board is, well, it was released 5 years ago, the chipset in your laptop is lightyears ahead of a 3 year old Nvidia NF4 mobo.

Its pretty standard for laptops to have had their drives with ncq/ahci enabled in bios so its almost certain your SSD would be aswell.
 
A Vertex 2e should be in almost all situations basically as fast as any of the Crucial 128mb drives, infact faster than almost all of them.

Most people get confused as to where this "performance" comes from.

Booting windows is literally the worst reason to buy an SSD. If you're someone who finds themselves constantly with windows getting bogged down as you multitask, a SSD will be night and day.

On almost any laptop frankly going from a few year old small 5400rpm(sometimes lower) low capacity drive to a 7200rpm also silent, 4 times as big drive will have a huge boost to booting times aswell. But hdd's, no matter which you get, will always chug when you throw more than a couple small programs at a time at it.

As for your laptop, it has AHCI, the chipset your laptop is using is not much more than 2 years old, an Asus NF4 SLI 939 board is, well, it was released 5 years ago, the chipset in your laptop is lightyears ahead of a 3 year old Nvidia NF4 mobo.

Its pretty standard for laptops to have had their drives with ncq/ahci enabled in bios so its almost certain your SSD would be aswell.

Have you read my post?

Laptop progression - Samsung 80gb - Seagate 250gb 7200rpm - Crucial 120GB SSD, forgot what model but not a V+ - The crucial does everything better than the two former hard drives, boot times, repsonse times, multi tasking, loading programs etc... The laptop only has IDE compatiable in the BIOS, also device manager shows no ACHI controllers. Not sure what you're on about. The 945GM is about 4 or 5 years old going by memory, the chipset may have ACHI but its not implemented in this particular BIOS, the laptop dosen't even officially support Core 2 cpus but its been working with a T5500 for 2 years without problems, even undervolted to .95v at stock speed via rmclock.

I did not buy the ssd for windows boot times, are you just trying to nit pick everything?

I compared the Vertex 2E to my 300GB velociraptor, not the crucial drive. The op had a velociraptor as well, i noted a performance increase on an X58 mobo with the Vertex 2E, however not that much better than the velociraptor, as the OP himself is noticing, it does indeed handle multitasking etc.. a whole lot better though.

I've stuck SSDs in old first gen LGA775 rigs with P4s and seen a massive improvement, so telling the guy he won't see any with an SSD because his gear is old really dosen't make sense. I think its more due to the fact he had a very quick mechanical hdd to begin with, always was and still am a huge fan of the velociraptor as its the first mechanical SATA drive i saw a huge improvement with, the original Raptors was lack lustre imo. I'm not against SSDs, all of my pcs have ssds as the boot drive now, i currently own 4 OCZ LE 50GB, one LE 100GB, 2 120GB 2E, 60GB 2E, Crucial 120GB, 96GB 2E, 32gb Onyx and 2 Samsing pm800 64GB.
 
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