Lack of awareness on WW1/2

Trusty-X said:
Would that be the case though? Obviously the jews/slavics were the whipping boys but would he have not left the other countries to do their own thing. He admired our country like no other. I'm not sure of his intentions but i can't imagine every single person that was'nt blonde haired and blue eyed would have been killed or used as slaves.
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because life under a fascist dictator would be just peachy

B@
 
Telescopi said:
There's too much history to satisfy everyone, two posts up he wants cromwell in, I think the norman invasion and subsequent re-allignment of our nobles was terribly important, and still relevant.
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I agree, I simply picked out Cromwell as it was an example of an important part of our national history which isnt taught, my point was that we dont teach enough of our own history (which would encompass the Norman invasion)
 
WW1 and WW2 I learnt about 15 years ago. I do not remember anything about either of them. OP you are suggesting that this amazes you?
 
Very sad state of affairs that people (particularly the younger generation) seem to have such a blase attitude to this recent world history. It isnt necessary to remember the dates at all, but at least to understand that human history with all its achievements and horrible mistakes is a continuum, and that pivotal periods such as WW1/2 shape the very world we live in now.

I'm not pointing digits at any posters here but have come across so many people at work and beyond who have no curiosity, never read newspapers, never read a book, never ask questions, who seem content to live in some weird fluffy bubble stoked with reality TV and lame soap operas :mad:

Just to highlight this here is a thread from here over a month old:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18201700&highlight=remembrance -a thread which had 165 posts and 3000 views in it this year, compared to the 100+ this thread has attracted already :(
 
Broadie said:
Very sad state of affairs that people (particularly the younger generation) seem to have such a blase attitude to this recent world history. It isnt necessary to remember the dates at all, but at least to understand that human history with all its achievements and horrible mistakes is a continuum, and that pivotal periods such as WW1/2 shape the very world we live in now.

I'm not pointing digits at any posters here but have come across so many people at work and beyond who have no curiosity, never read newspapers, never read a book, never ask questions, who seem content to live in some weird fluffy bubble stoked with reality TV and lame soap operas :mad:

Just to highlight this here is a thread from here over a month old:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18201700&highlight=remembrance -a thread which had 165 posts and 3000 views in it this year, compared to the 100+ this thread has attracted already :(
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Unfortunately though it doesnt affect them anymore so there is'nt any REAL reason learn or know about it.

Unfortunate but true.
 
Davies_M said:
if this is all they learned in school, and didn't really take an interest in history, why does it matter or show that they have a 'social capacity of a common house brick'?

If that's so, might aswell ask 'Do you post frequently on OcUK?' :D
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Sorry, it matters for several reasons already mentioned:

-Millions of people were affected around the globe in 10 years of conflict (WW1/2 combined)

-Millions sacrificed their lives, or had no choice whether they were going to live or die

-The problems as well as positives found in the current world situation have their roots in the problems of the past

-To remain in ignorance or to be content to "have the social capacity of a house brick" is not an admirable one

-To quote Santayana (a name mentioned earlier) "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santayana :)
 
Broadie said:
Sorry, it matters for several reasons already mentioned:

-Millions of people were affected around the globe in 10 years of conflict (WW1/2 combined)

-Millions sacrificed their lives, or had no choice whether they were going to live or die

-The problems as well as positives found in the current world situation have their roots in the problems of the past

-To remain in ignorance or to be content to "have the social capacity of a house brick" is not an admirable one

-To quote Santayana (a name mentioned earlier) "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santayana :)
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And remembering the date is pivitol to that? Remember, the subject I was discussing was exact dates, not the events themselves.

Do you remember much about the English civil war? If not, then how come you haven't started uprising against the monarchy?

I prefer, those who remember the past but are able to move on will succeed. Less doomy and gloomy ;)

Do you know much of recent Chinese history including dates? Because that affects 1billion+ people alone!
 
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Why are they asking you questions about WW2? What sort of job is it? What were the questions exactly?

Is it just a general knowledge test or a way of gauging your political orientation?
 
Davies_M said:
And remembering the date is pivitol to that? Remember, the subject I was discussing was exact dates, not the events themselves.
-OK, this topic seems to be a general discussion., I was reponding to your question of why it matters. No problem, I could have responded to anyone else who asked the same question so dont take it personally

Do you remember much about the English civil war?
-Yes quite a lot, though it isnt my speciality, so to refresh I would have to look it up in books that some seem reluctant to read

If not, then how come you haven't started uprising against the monarchy?
-I dont understand this question. The monarchy seems to be doing an admirable job in rendering themselves obsolete.


Do you know much of recent Chinese history including dates? Because that affects 1billion+ people alone!
-Yes. And including dates. the Rape of Nanking? 1937 Sino Japanese War? 1937-45 Chinese Civil War? 1949 Cultural Revolution? 1966-1976 Tianamen Square? 1989
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Have a smiley or 3, its ZZZmas :) :) :) :D
 
Broadie said:
Have a smiley or 3, its ZZZmas :) :) :) :D
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Well it seems I chose the wrong person!
I can safely assume (assume makes an ass out of u and me?) that you're interested in history somewhat! ;)

The monarchy thing was more a tongue in cheek response to your quote. And don't ever talk about her Maj like that! The Empire will rise again, just you watch.

It was more aimed at somebody who isn't interested in history that much and still thinks that if somebody doesn't know the dates for WWII they possess the 'social capacity of a common house brick' as claimed by our Dj_Jestar! :p

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Is it common courtesy to return the same amount of smileys during this season? :D:p:cool:
 
How was history taught in everyone else's schools?

I thought in mine it was very very poor... the majority of lessons we had the teacher (or rand student) read from a book in front of the class. I only remember ONE single thing from History class. We watched a film about how world war 2 started; I still (5/6 years later) remember every single bit of it. It was the same in geography class. Films pwn for me, listening to someone talk drivel didn't work at all. It didn't make me the slightest bit interested. It seemed to be all about remembering facts.

I thought how we were 'taught' in high school was a bit of a joke, it could have been miles better. And I'm not surprised people don't know this stuff.
 
I see many of you are talking about curriculum, and I am taking GCSE History currently, and neither Wars are being taught, I learnt a small amount about WWI earlier in the school, but that has been it.

I can't name the exact dates, but it really doesn't require a lot of knowledge to know: 1914-18 and 1939-45. Another thing that should be known is, Never trust the French or the Italians to do a proper armies job!


Amp34 said:
(Very basic summary, essentially Germany used the assassination to start a war)
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I really don't think WWI is as clear cut as you are suggesting, It had been a boiling pot for a good few years and all sides were looking for a fight, but none of them wanted to admit they were the aggressors(Such as the fact that everybody tried to say they were attacked first to get public support). And ofcourse, because we won, they were blamed for it. Had the Germans won, the history books would have blamed the Triple Entante.
 
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